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Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
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08/05/14 12:48 PM
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Georgia
warrior
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Re: Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
[Re: warrior]
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08/05/14 03:38 PM
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Chauncey, Ohio
wormbobskey
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To my way of thinking the big question is, is HSUS using these cage traps and following the laws pertaining to the capture of these animals? Here in Ohio we must euthanize any animals caught. Are they doing the same? I think the DNR should be watching the HSUS closely.
OSTA
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Re: Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
[Re: warrior]
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08/05/14 04:20 PM
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Holt
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Paul, I think we agree on a lot more issues than we disagree on. It just so happens the issues we disagree on create an emotional response from both of us. But I agree this is one "issue" we will always agree on!  Wormbobskey, Relocation could be an issue but with release on site (reuniting of wildlife family)or one-way doors being available to them may not be as much of an issue as HSUS approaching regulators, city councils and others requiring operators to adopt their method of wildlife control based on feel good trash science.
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Re: Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
[Re: warrior]
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08/05/14 04:21 PM
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mequon, wisconsin
Paul Winkelmann
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wormbobskey, this is for your eyes only! ( Everybody else, close your eyes ) There is not a single organization that I am aware of
that is as universally despised for doing nothing but taking the money and prying at the hearts of elderly people, like HSUS! They
are, from everything I have read, some of the most despicable, so called, animal experts on the face of the earth. Oppositely, their
contributors may be some of the most wonderful, caring, and perhaps, somewhat misinformed people on that same earth! My job and
yours, as I see it, is to convince people by our looks and actions, that we care a lot more about the welfare of every species native
to our area, than anybody else! You are in your customer's phone book. Use it, intelligently!
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Re: Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
[Re: warrior]
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08/05/14 05:52 PM
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Eric Arnold
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Just to clarify the Ohio laws.
To start, the law is release on-site, relocate, or euthanize nuisance wild animals. The only animals we must euthanize are beaver, coyote, fox [red or gray], opossum, raccoon, and skunk. You are also allowed to use lethal means of control on these species.
All the following mammals can be relocated, euthanized or killed (to include lethal means of control) at the discretion of the CNWACO: rats [roof and Norway], mice [house, Deer, Meadow Jumping, Woodland Jumping, White-footed] chipmunks, shrews [Least, Northern short-tailed, Pygmy, Smoky], moles [Easter, Hairy tailed, Start-nosed], voles [Meadow, Pine, Southern Red-backed], squirrels [red, gray, fox, flying], woodchucks and muskrat.
Any mink, river otter, badger, bobcat, weasel [least, long-tailed], cotton-tailed rabbit, southern bog lemming, or thirteen-lined ground squirrel must be relocated unless you have a letter of permission from division of wildlife.
Special permission is required to trap or capture: Black bears, White-tailed deer, Snowshoe hares, Indiana bats, Northern long-eared bats, Allegheny woodrats, and Eastern harvest mice.
Eric Arnold
Publishing Editor W.C.T. Magazine
Editor The Fur Taker Magazine
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Re: Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
[Re: warrior]
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08/05/14 06:21 PM
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mequon, wisconsin
Paul Winkelmann
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Since I always figure I'm the sharpest knife in the drawer, I begrudgingly admit defeat! Thanks Charles! ( Am I the only one that
noticed that it's a lot easier to be mean to someone on-line than it is to be mean in person? ) I'm not sure if everyone who reads
our posts is aware, but Mr. Holt, Mr. Dave K, & a host of others on here that I've disagreed with, are really people that I admire
and have considered them my friends for some time. ( No, I'm right and they're wrong. I'm not admitting defeat entirely; That's
what us more mature people do. ) Do you have grandparents? Think about it.
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Re: Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
[Re: warrior]
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08/05/14 07:12 PM
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Kirk De
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This was just posted on trapper talk forum: Kyle with Tomahawk is not a member here so he asked me to post this response.
There is no relationship between Tomahawk Live Trap and the HSUS. We sell traps and animal equipment to anyone that will purchase them because that is our business. We take pride in our work and strive to manufacture the best equipment available for all of our customers. Our products are used by ADC Professionals, Fur Takers, Researchers, Animal Control Officers, Cat Organizations, Dog Rescue Groups, Zoos, Vet Offices, Government Organizations and homeowners around the world. It would be a terrible business decision for us to discriminate against anyone and most likely illegal.
Response to our facebook page comments: We would love to see more of your pictures and stories on our facebook page. Social media is very largely dominated by cat trapping organizations and really anything to do with cats in general. Have you seen this grumpy cat? He is everywhere! We have had many photo contests on our facebook page and yet we do not receive very many pictures of ADC work. We would LOVE to see more of it. Please send us your pictures and stories! We also send out a quarterly newsletter and have started a “featured trapper” article. If you are interested or would like to nominate someone please send your info to kyle@livetrap.com.
Response to HSUS Donations: Tomahawk Live Trap does not donate money to the HSUS. As a manufacturer of animal equipment we have professional relationships with various companies and organizations. We are the sole manufacturers of the Comstock Series line of traps and we pay a royalty to the Comstock family for each Comstock trap we sell because he designed the trap. We also have a similar relationship with the Neighborhood Cats organization. They designed and market a series of cat traps and we pay a $1.00 fee to Neighborhood Cats for each one of their traps sold.
Thank you,
Kyle
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Re: Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
[Re: warrior]
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08/05/14 10:02 PM
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Tipton, IN
Travis Wolford
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I agree with lots of things said in the responces above. Obviously we shouldn't hold it against the folks at Tomahawk for making a quality product that everyone wants to buy....and you know making a living. That would be like me refusing to talk to Paul or Charles because they provided service for a big nasty left wing athiest. Which most likey we have all done wether we know it or not. I also agree that the biggest supporters of those no accounts are the best people with a heart of gold trying to do the right thing. The thing this week that saddened me the most with the HSUS thing is Muck Boots donating a bunch of money to them. I love my Mucks, now I don't know if I will be able to bring myself to buy another pair. Now that my friends is the difference, selling your products to worthless no goods makes you a law abbiding citizen and a good buisness man. GIVING money to the enemy, now there's grounds for a revolt. Charles is also correct about the preaching about hsus moving in our buisness, also the pest control companys. Those 2 groups have been a threat since I started 15yrs ago...now its no longer a threat but a reality. Some of you guys took heed of this and have rolled with the punches, by being liscensed PCO's and setting your companys a cut above the rest. This has been accomplished with continued education, add on services and most importantly superior customer service. PCo's are very good with customer service when its profitable, since the ones I have seen try to run WC like PC it will never be profitable so they cease to be competition. Sure they will do the WC for their slumlord appartments and the like but who in their right mind wants that headache to deal with. So simply educate yourselves, your employees and your clients and give them the best service that money can buy.
it is not a stupid question if you do not know the answer
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Re: Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
[Re: Travis Wolford]
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08/05/14 10:12 PM
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Frankfort, Ky. USA
trapperpaw
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Charles, Paul and Kyle said it all I can't add anything.
Sleep'n with an animal..I can help.
Do not use both feet when testing the depth or temperature of the water
Your Friend,
Paul Brooker
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Re: Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
[Re: Peskycritter]
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08/06/14 08:27 AM
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My registration has been approved so I may now directly respond to any questions on this topic.
Last edited by Tomahawk; 08/07/14 07:17 AM.
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Re: Tomahawk/HSUS thread.
[Re: warrior]
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08/06/14 11:25 AM
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Vinke
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tomahawk,,,,,dobbins does not allow links to anti's web sites
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