Anyone tried the new belisle selective foot snare. Seen a video WCS brought out showing how to set one. Newt or anyone else use it?

Dont know about it

Check it out on utube. I think you will like it. Looks likee the trap is fired buy the animal digging. Still fires the loop. But trigger system and pan has changed. May just be a way to mess up a good foot snare. But belisle making it has me interested. I love the belisle footsnares. They are Cadillac foot snares.

https://youtu.be/rSeqwURtdMQere
here is link.

I notice it dosnt have a base like the regular version. I will have some of these to try. I bet there expensive being stainless.

The stainless ones are VERY expensive.
I haven't heard of problems with the regular ones.

Thanks for posting 2traps. I like the old style better and do wish I had some of the stainless one because they are stouter.

If you have sprung foot holds with no catch I can't believe your not going to have tons of sprung foot snares with out a catch. I can see the use when trapping big footed bears but coyotes and fox I'm not so sure. And In snow and wet ground conditions I can't see them being of much use.

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I thought it was neat video. I would like to try the standard stainless belisle just to compare to the ones I have.

What anchors the snare loop? Seems like a step backwards IMHO. Doesn't that thin cable that's not swiveled damage the leg more than a properly modified paw hold trap?

Unless there Is some type of BAD In the system your going to be catching and holding any deer that gets caught. Or maybe they will just slip out.
can't see the need.
Since 2 traps has some are you getting any pull outs?

Never held a deer but I bet they would. I have held coyotes and skunks in the belisle footsnares. Now the select has pull up trigger it appears so deer could step on it all it wants but want fire.

Least that's my take of it.

You use chain stake with swivel or disposable with swivel also shock spring. Very humane trapping device

Thin cable has rubber tube to prevent cutting. Larger 1/8 inch wire dosnt and does not cut the paw. Love the foot snare. Work just as good if not better then modern foothold. I would run bunch if you didn't have to use new snare after every catch. I have had possum and coon slip the noose but not coyote.

I saw DNR demonstrate the regular Belisle at the 2016 state convention. It seemed to me that if someone was having trouble with toe catches, foot snares might be especially good for those people. All in all, they seemed like a good set, but people here just aren't enthused about them. I brought it up several times this weekend at the state convention, and nobody was selling them and few seemed interested in trying them. I haven't tried them, but am anxious to order 1 or 2 to try. I've been pondering them for a year. My delay is largely due to trying to figure out a BAD that will hold most yotes but release most deer. I had 1 vendor tell me if I order foot snare(s) from them, they'd put on whatever BAD I want.
In my research this past year, the Belisle seems like a better all around setup than the Fremont. Wi requires inline shock springs on them. I don't think that thin rubber coated wire is legal here.

Probably many reasons their not popular .

Most people would struggle to know how to set them, but I suppose once a person figures it out, it might go reasonably quick.

As for firm bedding, I kind of wonder how that is. I guess I haven't heard anyone say they are hard to firmly bed though.

Their seriously not that complicated to use

Never tried a foot snare but I have to say the idea intrigues me. I wonder how many that point out the negatives about them have ever tried one..

Never tried one , never gave it much though, when they start out in price around $25 and go up to $100 .

Guess it might be fun for bears and mountain lions , neither one we can legally trap here .

They have pushed It In WI figuring some time down the road we will be able to use them to trap bears In WI. Don't hold your breath.

Yeah. I hear you on the price tag of the ones out there. I'm actually in the process of prototyping a new design for a foot snare that is simpler than what's out there and should be able to produce for a more reasonable cost. I have a couple built and believe I have the design were I like it now I just have put it to the test this season. If it works well I believe it will actually have some valuable benefits in some situations over a leg hold trap. The deer thing does have me concerned. As stated before a BAD device that will hold leg caught yotes put release deer will b needed in most applications.

Seems to me like it is the perfect solution to a non-existent problem.

Improvements are always out there if one's open minded or we would still b getting around on foot

It's another 'tool,' so to speak. That's the way a Wi official explained it to me. If anyone doesn't like the idea, I guess don't use it. I think we are fortunate to have different options at our disposal. I'm going to wait to judge them until I try it, or learn more about them. They are very intriguing.

I like the sound of that!

https://www.wildlifecontrolsupplies.com/animal/WCSBFS6.html

And your going to bury all this garbage In the ground to catch coyotes?? Maybe for ADC work In the summer but In harsh trapping conditions I don't think so.

It would stop deer catchs



i have sold off my reglar steel ones .After trap'n with the Stainless Steel ones.



Cost of the snare is nothing when your live market trap'n.
I'v held bobcat by two toes using 1/8" 7x19 stainless steel cable.



Beav, havent you trapped Mississippi live market in the past?
The snare beds some what like a DLS.I havent seen that a problem.
I'v used them i mud. But not snow.



I have the 6" in stock in Steel and Stainless Steel.

I'd like to try it, and see how it works.
I am wondering how they'd be in winter conditions though.

I've live trapped In NC, SC and Miss but always used foot holds and never had any Issues with bad feet. Well your always going to have a few bad ones but nothing to worry about.

And since I'm out of the live market I'm set up just fine with foot holds for fur trapping. But I might just try one to see what's the big deal.

How come you said you knew nothing about It???

The SLECTIVE snare not the Steel and Stainless Steel 6". they are different

The foot snare is very easy to use and very easy to bed. They work great. Just like foothold you must freeze proof your trap bed. After you figure out the correct way to set the belisle and how to properly place the snare on the belisle. It's very simple and alot safer. They have safety that I like. Plus if it fires on you it dosnt hurt like conventional footholds do. If I was live marketing coyotes that's what I would use. I will have to get a stainless one to try.

Something I never figured out was what the long single chain link connected to the one spring was for? Anyone know?. I figured it was for anchoring. But every person I ever talked to said they didn't anchor the thrower just the snare.

Newt do you anchor just the snare? Ever lose the thrower after a catch was made. Very catch I ever made the belisle was inside the catch circle most the time buried with grass or leaves. I thought about attaching piece surveyor tape to the belisle so when a catch was made it was easier to find. Ever try that? With the price of them I always worried about losing them. I only have half dozen. But they definitely have a place on the trapline, both ADC and fur trapping.

Yes its for anchoring the trap. NO I never seen why tho. Never lost one. After all It aint gona get carryed away.

Like Beav eluded to, I'm kind of interested in trying 1 to see what they can do.
I wonder if chew outs could be an issue...
I also wonder how they'd work for bobcat.

Wouldn't stainless cable be to stiff as to locking up as good as a softer cable??

You would have to chop out a huge trap bed to bed that trap. And that would be a major project In frozen ground.

When I saw 1 in person, I don't necessarily remember it being overly bulky. I haven't tried bedding 1 though.

7x19 Stainless Steel cable is not stif.Even in 1/8"

No more than a DLS
And then when there is frozen ground. I eather go to snares or go south.

Just get one and try it if its legal

If you used one or even seen one beav. You would realize they would be easy to bed. Like double long but easier bc you don't have to dig wide trenches for the longsprings. With waxed dirt, peat, and polyfil they work great in freezing weather. I have heard of issues using coverhulls causing issues with the snare. But waxed dirt or waxed sand will keep it working just like any other foothold. It's fast like foothold but soon as animal lunges the snare tightens on the leg and the belisle falls off with little struggle. Then the 1/8 inch cable , swivels, and shock spring hold the coyote, Fox, or bobcat. Some possums, skunks and coons will slip the noose but not all. I have half dozen i might just get out and use this season. I been holding off on using them. But I used them years back and loved them. They really snap out of the ground and catch high enough for yotes to be perfectly caught. I believe this was the first yote I ever caught in belisle foot snare. You can't see the belisle but it's in the catch circle.

2traps the long link is to attach to a drag. I cut the link off because if you catch a yote with trap attached to the drag the trap can get bent out of shape. Newt and Darcy were going to make a video using this tool .

Thanks for the input 2 TRAPS.
Nice photo by the way.

https://www.wildlifecontrolsupplies.com/animal/WCSBFS6.html


Well 2 traps I posted a link to the trap so I guess I've seen one. And yes I've actually played around with one. And I'm sticking to my foot holds. When you make a catch with a foot hold you just re set. With one of those foot snare contraptions you have to re build It or put In new one.
I used those collraums (sp) 20 years ago and yes I caught coyotes In them but they won't out produce a foot hold. And I feel the same about these foot snares. I guess the old dog new trick thing applies here. LOL

They work just as well if not better then a foothold trap. They hold very well so pullouts are non-existent with coyote Fox and bobcat. For remake you detach snare from anchor with the quick connect. Place new snare on the anchor and set foot snare. Bed trap and place cable on the correct way. Cover trap, Add what you want. Backing, bait, lure, urine, etc.

Do you still anchor snare solid? Or do you have snare and trap connected to drag? If so I can see.the jaws getting bent fairly easy. That's beauty of the device bc itd
s the snare that holds the animal not the trap. So when a catch is made the belisle flys off after snare clinches down on the leg/foot. Wish i had half dozen stainless belisle to try out. But they are high dollar. To expensive for fur trapping

I watched the horribly made video (no offense to Frenchy or wherever he was from) but don't understand what closes the snare.

basically when the trap closes it releases the snare and as the animal struggles it tightens the snare then the trap eventually pops off from the fight

So do you have any tangles with snare and the loose trap once they have separated?

Most of the time the trap is thrown outside the catch circle. Never had the trap tangled with the snare. Good tool to trap around lots of people and dogs. But like you said deer are trouble.

Icaught skunk one time that never got the belisle off his leg.

Red when you use the belisle do you anchor your snare under the trap or do try to strech snare out and anchor away from trap bed. This is how I do it. I figured the sooner the snare closed the better. But the belisle may hang on longer then I expect. I plan to use the.half dozen I have again this year. Been trying to get hog snared using the six inch belisle. Just haven't connected with one yet. Wish we could legally use the eight inch version in Virginia.

This seems to be 1 reason some don't use foot snares. It's part of the reason I am thinking about going with a slightly weaker BAD...one that hopefully would hold most yotes but release most deer.

If I could find some gregerson locks in the 1/8 cable seize I think they should work. Should reap out with deer but hold coyote.

Now that's a good idea. I have some of them gregerson locks but they are 3/32 size. For live marketing or trapping were domestics are high. This tool really shines. They are the.most humane trapping device I know of that holds the animal by the foot or leg. I'm talking about the standard belisle foot snare not the selective. But i would like to try the selective out. I plan to buy some stainless belisle to have. Haven't seen price on the selective yet.

Where do you buy these gregerson's? I'm not familiar with them. How about a link, maybe a photo?

I think this is what you guys are talking about. I see The Snare Shop sells these too. They appear to come in 3 sizes. I've never seen this particular device. I'm not sure if it's legal everywhere, or if it's better than a traditional BAD on a 6" Belisle. Hmmm. Interesting.
https://www.dakotalinesnares.com/products/gregerson-snare-locks?variant=41828979667

What about a release ferrule?

A release ferral may work.I have rodeoed deer.Aint that big of a think. Kinda fun realy.

Ya until you get one of those 300Lb 12 point bucks hung up.
I'm sure WI regs include some type of BAD.

I have released several deer unharmed from regular snares... Never a buck tho.

I read our regs. A BAD OR lock is required for foot snares.
I'm unsure about the benefit or legality of a release ferrule. That's new to me.

Release ferrule:
https://www.dakotalinesnares.com/products/release-ferrules-1?variant=755090205

Isn't a BAD and a release ferrule the same thing??

I'm not sure but I think in some states a release fertile is not an approved release devise on snares

I think you are right. A release ferrule seems like 1 type of BAD. I don't know anyone that's used them.

Yes sir- that is probably correct, I suspect.

The Gregerson locks work real good for holding coyotes (24 hr check) but still releasing all but the smallest deer on standard leg snares as long as the snares are kept real short... If you put very much length on the snare the coyotes will tear out the Gregerson lock with constant lunges...

Thanks. Which size gregerson are you referring to?

I use 5/64" 1x19 cable...

So To be legal In WI what BADs and what type of locks are required on a foot snare??
I'm betting that there are already restrictions being placed on what you can use and what you can't use here In WI

I read the foot snare section of the '17 regs. It kinda seems any type of BAD or stop is legal, so long as the BAD is rated at 350# or less
But I've never known of those ferrules or gregersons to be used around here.

kind of curious what kind of stop u could use on a foot snare

So It doesn't stress the type of lock??

Offhand, I don't think so Beav. But that is a good question.

I looked at the WI foot snare pictures
and to me it looks like there is no b.a.d. in the pic , not that it concerns me because a person can only use them on fox and yotes at certain times of the year !

You would think it should be more clear but I bet it only concerns about 2 people in Wisconsin !

And like Yes sir states how can a deer stop be put on one and hold fox ?

Fox and yotes are the only thing you can foot snare in Wisconsin .

I just looked. The picture is a little unclear, but the text says a BAD or stop rated at up to 350 lbs is required.

If a deer stop is on it how is it going to hold a fox ?

I must be missing the big picture.

They don't require a deer stop. Only our traditional neck CR's require the deer stop.

Really , wouldn't you think a deer would step in a foot snare before a neck snare , where a stop is required on a neck snare , "cable restraint" in Wi.
Makes no sense .

Cable Restraint ,old Indian word for "There goes my coyote" .

This movie is not for me anyway .

Unless your a very experanced snarman.

Really?

My buddy and I caught 22 coyotes last year using CRs. We lost 2 due to the BAD letting go. That problem has been addressed and I'm sure we won't lose any more.
And since we went to a different cable we didn't get any chew outs last season.
While I would rather be using lethal methods the CRs are working out OK.

Agreed.

Those not using CR's are missing out on some good action.
In fact I have 2 aquaintances that have pretty much left the footholds in the garage and run CR lines instead. Partly their preference, but they are putting up fir.

As for the foot snares, I haven't tried them yet, so can't speak for them personally.

Beav, I do beleave that you are a Above adverage trapper/snarman.

Thanks Newt.

I've done a lot of listening when the right people talk. Your one of them.

But I sure wish we could use lethal methods. I think the critters deserve better. I've caught a few dogs In lethal type snares and they just sat down and were just waiting to be released.

The problems with CRs Is you have to pass up all those hot locations do to entanglement. But adapt or sit at home.

I don't know what kind of CR y'all are required to use but, down here , we call them live market snares as that's the only time we use them. Anyway, when built right , you shouldn't lose any. 1x19 3/32 cable with a barrel swivel as close to the loop as you can get it is the main key to resisting chewouts.

That's what I use.

But the adverage trapper/snarman. Will not go the expence.
I have no idea -but i'll say this. The adverage trapper/snarman is buying the cheepest cable restraint he can. Which is made of chinesse 3/32" 7x7 cable.Probly 90% or better.
I see you guys are building or buying quilty snares/cable restraints.

Newt, quality equipment is cheap insurance to keep my $75-$100 coyote sitting there.

Thats why I Use,Buy,and Sell the best I can get

Amen, brother...

I'm going to try the Belisle "Selective" out here on a permit.
What's your anchor setup look like for the Belisle foot snare? I'll likely be using earth anchors with a JC Conner spring.

How do you connect and swivel this bar style quick connect?

Newt builds some sweet CR's. If you haven't held one of them in your hands you need too. Never had an escape or chew out with the 1x19 set up he has with inline swivels. When I don't have time to build a few extra dozen I know who to call.

Ttt

Anyone plan on using 1 this year? I might set 1 for a bobcat