Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
[Re: Tweed]
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Wolves suck......smart folk exterminated them a long time ago when folks had common sense.
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
[Re: Marty]
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Wolves suck......smart folk exterminated them a long time ago when folks had common sense. Exactly. The world has lost its way. Too many intelligent people with the common sense equivalence of a field mouse.
The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
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01/09/18 11:53 AM
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Impossible! They only kill the weak and sick and keep the herd healthy. Well by golly, it's obvious the whole darn caribou herd has become sick and weak! God bless those helpful wolves! Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
[Re: Marty]
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Wolves suck......smart folk exterminated them a long time ago when folks had common sense. What I like is when we go and buy wolves from Canada, then we pay some other group to monitor them, then pay some other group to kill them. Sounds like a program to create jobs to me.
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
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Wait....humans were only here for 250 years? you seriously want to compare the impact of Native Americans (Indians) to the arrival of man from Euorope? If you don't get my point that man altering habitat is the main cause of the decimation of the caribou I don't know what to say.
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
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Funny, I just read a similar article referencing wolves as the reason the Selkirk caribou heard in north Idaho is going extinct. Who gets to pick a winner in one endangered specie against another? I think the Selkirk herd in that tiny area of Washington, Idaho and Montana is already extinct. I have a friend who has a cabin in the middle of the herd's range in NE Washington (he traps there also). His cabin is in their winter range, he sees no caribou tracks anymore. I just don't think the biologists who work for the U.S. Forest Service and the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife can get themselves to admit that the caribou are gone for good. If they did admit that, they couldn't "study" them anymore, they wouldn't have any justification to keep roads in the area closed, and they'd have to admit that their darling wolves and cougars wiped out the caribou. The U.S. officials had been supplementing the caribou herd by the occasional addition of woodland caribou that the Canadians (British Columbia) had been providing. Eventually the Canadians said they weren't going to donate any more caribou to the wolf and cougar feeding program that the State of Washington was conducting.
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
[Re: Dirty D]
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wolves are just finishing what man started. wolves and these herds of caribou existed for hundred, probably thousands of years together before man arrived from Europe. Man has eliminated much of the habitat that these herds occupied. This crashed the populations. Crashed to the point that predators that they have lived with for centuries now will finish what man started.
Blame man, not the wolves. If your concerned about the caribou lets remove all human habitation from their previous range and restore the area to what it was 250 years ago.
Blaming wolves on the extinction of these caribou is like blaming the guy who shot the last couple of passenger pigeons for causing the birds to go extinct. He may have killed the last of them but if other men had not eliminated the other billions of them then the killing of those few would of made no difference. Then it falls to man to manage both species to their benefit. Mike
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
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DD I'll give you a more thoughtful response: Given that this is 2018, what good are those wolves to those caribou?
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
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Dirty D,in the grand scheme of things, the woodland caribou hasn't lost all that much range in the last couple centuries....they did extend south as far as the U.P. until about 100 years ago, as well as into northern Maine, where they disappeared in the 1930's (?). They were never thick in Michigan unless you go back about a thousand years. Climate changes (Natural changes, not man made) pushed them steadily north, just like the boreal forests they live in. A thousand years ago Ohio had a bunch of spruce forests....2-3 thousand years before that there was even more, pollen samples from the bottom of Ohio bogs prove that. Even if Europeans hadn't arrived here the Woodland Caribou would have been pushed farther north each century, until the next Ice Age reverses that. Crimeny, Muskox used to be here several thousand years ago too. I'm sure shooting thinned things out a bit, and helped whittle down the herd, but even if humans had disappeared 10,000 years ago, the Woodland Caribou in the Lower Great Lakes and northern New England areas would still be on the edge of extirpation from those regions. FYI, the last Passenger Pigeon....WILD Passenger Pigeon, was shot in the year 1900 in Pike county Ohio.....by a farm kid with a BB gun. A cooped up captive bird, named Martha, lived until September of 1914, also in Ohio (Cincinnati Zoo).
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
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Wait....humans were only here for 250 years? you seriously want to compare the impact of Native Americans (Indians) to the arrival of man from Euorope? If you don't get my point that man altering habitat is the main cause of the decimation of the caribou I don't know what to say. If you went to the selkirks, you'd see that there is no change to the habitat from humans where the few caribou are historically found. Nor to the north in BC. Nice try though.
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
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Wolves suck......smart folk exterminated them a long time ago when folks had common sense. I'm with ya Marty. Same goes for deer. They certainly suck too and smart folk exterminated them a long time ago when folks had common sense. -- Hal (And you can include those nasty turkeys too! Smart folk exterminated them a long time ago when folks had common sense.)
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Re: Wolves Wiping Out Caribou
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Such procrastination and hand wringing over nothing. Get Boco to slip on out there and snare those wolves back into reasonable numbers. Both will then flourish. Carry on.
Osky
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