So I'm pretty green at all this, but it's been my limited experience that coyotes shy away from where wolves are active and avoid their trails. Apparently not always though.

Last Friday I made a bait run and, untypically, brought my dog with me (it's a short, slow run and he rode back in the empty sled). He's an intact male so he pees on anything there is to pee on. We got fresh snow Sunday afternoon and I got out to this part of the line Monday afternoon, so 24 hours or less after fresh snow. And here's what I found: it appears to me to be coyotes and wolves marking the same posts within a day of each other. Interesting to me at least. What are your observations where they share or overlap habitat? Do you think the dog had anything to do with it?



On second look, this one might only be wolves


Sometimes I forget how big these critters mitts are

Absolutely. Speaking of the wolves down here they over mark anywhere a domestic dog or coyote marks. Coyotes here must be very careful, in times of plenty the wolves spend a lot of effort running any intruding coyotes to ground. Times now are leaner, coyotes are slipping back in, wolves need more energy to find food but coyotes still fear the wolves for good reason.

If we had a season here I would certainly use a dog on the line and set where he marks especially if the breeding season is coming on. We have many more instances of trouble between wolves and domestics from the breeding season thru pupping times, followed by incidental encounters when the hunting dogs are out in the fall.

It may be different up there, I'll be interested to read the guys up there's opinions.

Osky

Here in north central Wi i find wolves, fox, yotes will mark on same locations. Im sure the fox fear the yote and the yote fear the wolf, but the instinct to pee on anothers pee is instinctive to let them know, KILROY was here LOL

Around here there are very few yotes in the bush because of wolves tear them up. Coyotes are on the farmland fringes. Also any wolf trapper worth his salt around here uses intact male or female dog yellow snow on pee post sets works great.

I've caught both wolves and coyotes using dog urine to make UP sets. Especially from a female sled dog in heat!

Pete

If I remember correctly, WolverineBait said he uses coyote urine for all his Pee Posts. Even lynx sets .

Fox urine will work also in a pinch

So did you put any sets in?

I've mostly been using coyote pee, with moderate success. Seems to work for all species including cats.

I’ve got a bait pile snare pen nearby, but didn’t have any footholds with me.

On that note, how would you guys set up a bait pile where coyotes and wolves are expected? The recommended loop size for wolves seems too big for yotes, but I haven’t caught either one yet. Thanks for any tips.

My surprise at the sign wasn’t so much that they peed on the same spot, but so close together. Snowfall means that it was all within a few hours. Reading the comments on Jurassic Park’s post about wolves hunting down coyotes, made me surprised that the yotes were so brave. But being that there are only 3 wolves in this group, maybe they’re less inclined to chase yotes.

In brushy country coyotes can out maneuver a wolf pack pretty easily. In more open country, not so much. Wolves and coyotes run the same range, same trails here. The coyotes do not seem to fear them all that much, though you do on rare occasion find where wolves have killed one. Several times I have seen tracks where coyote seem to harass a trapped wolf, repeatedly running in within the catch circle, then scooting away. Pretty brazen behavior, but not too uncommon here.

On the bait pile question,I would set up for the wolves, and count on incidental catch of a few coyotes. If your snare height is right for wolves you will likely miss a few coyotes that duck under the snare, but you will pick up a good percentage of them, even with the large loop size.

I second Spek's advice. Set up for the wolves.

Who cares if you miss a coyote or two? You would have to catch a truckload of coyotes to equal what you will get for a GOOD wolf.

Then again, if they are typical Refuge wolves, they are full of lice and you are just doing a public service!

Pete