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#6154042 - 02/10/18 08:11 PM Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4
Bigbuck Offline
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I'm sure somebody on here knows what a Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 with a 8" barrel is worth? It's about 98-97% condition and blue with factory wood grips. A guy at my work is wanting to sell it and I don't want to over pay for it.
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#6154052 - 02/10/18 08:16 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
JerryD Offline
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first off the S&W model 19 is a 357.


condition is everything...lightly used with original box and papers 5-600.00+++
heavily used 3-400.00

here is a link for some reference prices

gunbroker


Edited by JerryD (02/10/18 08:20 PM)
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#6154062 - 02/10/18 08:24 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: JerryD]
Bigbuck Offline
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Nope I just found this.
http://www.icollector.com/Smith-Wesson-Model-19-4-DA-revolver-38-Special-cal-8-3-8-barrel-blue-finish-checkered-com_i11642108
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#6154087 - 02/10/18 08:48 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
coonlove Offline
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Registered: 05/19/11
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Model 19 is .357. The K38 is a model 14 . That link is wrong. Model 19 has an under barrel lug enclosing ejector rod.


Edited by coonlove (02/10/18 08:50 PM)

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#6154090 - 02/10/18 08:51 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
coonlove Offline
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Furthermore the model 19 was only made in 2 1/2", 4", and 6 inch length.

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#6154103 - 02/10/18 08:59 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: coonlove]
Bigbuck Offline
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Here's a picture of the Smith & Wesson. Inside the frame with the cylinder open it says Mod 19-4 and on the barrel it says 38 special


Edited by Bigbuck (02/10/18 09:00 PM)
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#6154115 - 02/10/18 09:07 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
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All I can say is look up a model 19 and a model 14 and compare the pics. That is obviously a model 14 .38 Special with 8 3/8" barrel.
If it is marked as you say, something fishy is going on.

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#6154121 - 02/10/18 09:11 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
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see what they are going for at www.gunsamerica.com and www.gunbroker.com and www.gunsinternational.com is what I usually do

of course, you could ask the REAL experts at the S&W Collectors Forum

I can only tell it has Target sights...not sure about hammer or trigger

actually looks like a Trigger Shoe
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#6154122 - 02/10/18 09:12 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
coonlove Offline
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Taking a closer look at the length of the cylinder,it does look like the longer .357 cylinder. Looks like a model14 barrel screwed onto a model 19 frame and cylinder.

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#6154123 - 02/10/18 09:13 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
coonlove Offline
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Taking a closer look at the length of the cylinder,it does look like the longer .357 cylinder. Looks like a model 14 barrel screwed onto a model 19 frame and cylinder. Drop a maggie round in and see if it chambers.

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#6154278 - 02/11/18 04:49 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
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#6156073 - 02/12/18 07:52 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: coydog2]
Bigbuck Offline
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Ok here is a picture of the model #. I measured the length of the barrel and it's 7 1/2"
This revolver is very confusion, I'm going to try and call Smith & Wesson this week to see what they can tell me about this gun. Thanks to everybody that has weighed in on this thread.
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#6156128 - 02/12/18 08:47 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
coonlove Offline
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Barrel length is 8 3/8" Revolvers are measured to the cylinder face. This gun is definitely different and I still think a post factory modification.
Smith HAS made some odd small lots of revolvers in the past though.

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#6156130 - 02/12/18 08:49 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
coonlove Offline
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Is the cylinder counter bored to enclose the case rims? Will a .357 drop in all the way?

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#6156266 - 02/13/18 12:04 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
Taximan Offline
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The longest barrel length I know of in the 19 was 6" and all the 19 barrels have ejector rod shrouds.Someone wanted a longer barrel on their 19 and screwed one on from a 14.

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#6156329 - 02/13/18 05:53 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Taximan]
Bigbuck Offline
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I don't have any 357 shell's to try, but here is a picture of the open cylinder does this help?
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#6156436 - 02/13/18 08:17 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
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How long is the cylinder is for the inside of the cylinder? that will tell more about it.
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#6156443 - 02/13/18 08:33 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: coydog2]
Bigbuck Offline
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Is this what your asking?

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#6156451 - 02/13/18 08:44 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
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Yes that is what I look for .I had check the lenght of my 357 ruger cylinder it is 1 5/8" it is a black hawk ,also the lenght of the SP 101 also and the lenght of the case of a 38spl is about 1 3/16" .So it looks to be a 357 mag you got from the lenght of the cylinder you have


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#6156455 - 02/13/18 08:48 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: coydog2]
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So would you feel safe shooting a 357 out of it if it was your's?
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#6156484 - 02/13/18 09:28 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
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mines a 19-3,but it say's 357 magnum on the right side of the barrel.
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#6156554 - 02/13/18 10:51 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
coydog2 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Bigbuck
So would you feel safe shooting a 357 out of it if it was your's?
I would make sure with a gunsmith I know personnel if I could and go from there.
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#6156561 - 02/13/18 11:01 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
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Originally Posted By: Bigbuck
So would you feel safe shooting a 357 out of it if it was your's?


Yes,it's the same diameter bore.As long as there are no other issues it should be fine but having a gunsmith inspect it is a good idea.

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#6156579 - 02/13/18 11:19 AM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
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My 19-5 is a .357, marked on right side of the bbl.
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#6156743 - 02/13/18 03:00 PM Re: Smith & Wesson 38 Special model 19-4 [Re: Bigbuck]
coonlove Offline
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Registered: 05/19/11
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Loc: Michigan
Shoot it. Keep in mind that k frame Smiths were meant to be used sparingly with the .357 ammo. They don't hold up as well as the N frame or L frame.
Back when Bill Jordan was pestering S&W to make the Combat Magnum, he said"put that shroud on the ejector rod-a bad guy might bump his head on it and bend it" laugh This gun became what we know as the model 19.

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