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Pastor killed while hunting coyotes #6165252
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Hunting pastor using animal caller mistaken for coyote, fatally shot

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/21/hun...tally-shot.html

A hunter in North Carolina who was using an electronic animal caller was fatally shot by man with an AR-15 who said he mistook the sounds for coyotes roaming near his home, police and relatives said.

Michael Seth Marsh, 26, was killed late Monday in a wooded area in Taylorsville, about 60 miles northwest of Charlotte, as he was hunting coyotes with a 12-gauge shotgun, a rifle and an electronic coyote call, the Taylorsville Times reports.

Marsh, who served as the pastor of Russell Gap Baptist Church, was shot several times in the chest with an AR-15 by a man who told police he heard coyotes screaming nearby and believed the animals had trapped something in a tree.

The man, whose identity was not released because he was not immediately charged, said he then fired two shots at the brown and gray movement in the trees. The shooter later called police after he realized he had shot the hunter and not a wild animal.

Marsh was rushed to a nearby hospital, but he could not be saved. Marsh is survived by his wife, Katy, and two children, Braelynn and Isaac.

Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165261
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You notice that the news article made a point out of saying he was shot with an AR 15. Do you think they would have mentioned anything had he been shot with a bolt action Remington? Sad tragedy that should never have happened.


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Originally Posted By: MnMan
You notice that the news article made a point out of saying he was shot with an AR 15. Do you think they would have mentioned anything had he been shot with a bolt action Remington? Sad tragedy that should never have happened.


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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165272
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I tell my son, think about idiots being nearby when ever you are hunting, and all the stupid things they could do!!


Sad for that family


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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165274
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A tragedy all the way around.


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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165285
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Tragedy for sure.

Why it went from "shot SEVERAL times in the chest with an AR-15" to the guy saying he fired 2 shots, which I find more likely. Would be nice if the news reporters could just report the facts instead of trying to make up news.

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They may have even made up the AR 15 anyway!

Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165301
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What do you expect for the new media. Sorry for both family's.


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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165302
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negligent manslaughter
Sad all around but he just killed a man, a family man because he had no idea what he was shooting at.

Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: MnMan] #6165305
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Originally Posted By: MnMan
You notice that the news article made a point out of saying he was shot with an AR 15. Do you think they would have mentioned anything had he been shot with a bolt action Remington? Sad tragedy that should never have happened.


So you feel they should selectively withhold information to suit your political agenda? Too many morons already running around with AR 15's, 30 round magazines and bump stocks? Don't like the facts so just whine about them? Typical.

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They didn't comment on the color of his shirt either. Fact is ar-15 or not ar-15 it was the guy stupidity and negligence that killed.

Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Jonnytrapper] #6165345
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Originally Posted By: Jonnytrapper
They didn't comment on the color of his shirt either. Fact is ar-15 or not ar-15 it was the guy stupidity and negligence that killed.


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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165404
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Sad deal for both families.

I wonder how far away from shooters house the hunter was set up.

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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165423
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Yes they do and people are often held responsible for the negligence that caused the accident.

This is not about property rights.


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According to the newspaper it was really foggy. Too foggy to land the helicopter.

Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: pass-thru] #6165437
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Originally Posted By: pass-thru
Originally Posted By: MnMan
You notice that the news article made a point out of saying he was shot with an AR 15. Do you think they would have mentioned anything had he been shot with a bolt action Remington? Sad tragedy that should never have happened.


So you feel they should selectively withhold information to suit your political agenda? Too many morons already running around with AR 15's, 30 round magazines and bump stocks? Don't like the facts so just whine about them? Typical.


You're right PT, politics shouldn't figure into this. So why include an irrelevant fact to bring politics into it.

If he had cut this guy in half with a blast from a single shot breakover 12 ga the guy would be just as dead...

But we have to include the evil black rifle so it can be the focus... Not the carelessness of the man pulling the trigger.

Was the preacher black? Might as well toss that in while we're at it.

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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165474
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I'm afraid this is going to be a growing problem. Just go on any local county discussion page on FB and you'll see all kinds of city idiots wetting themselves over coyotes insisting somebody do something.
Sounds like the shooter did just that.


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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165483
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Heard about this earlier.
Imagine his family getting that phone call sick


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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165532
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What a shame. It's completely ridiculous that something like this would ever happen. I just don't get it. Shooting blindly at something that you aren't even sure what it is. I have to wonder how scared somebody has to be of a coyote to just start shooting. So what if some coyotes ran something up a tree. Walk over to where you hear them, identify the target, and then shoot them. Unbelievable.

Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165572
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There has been quite a bit of speculation as to the circumstances since this news broke about the possibility of one or the other trespassing. The following quote was posted on an NC hunting forum by a man who knew the folks involved:

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I knew Seth very well. A close friend, a great father, a hard worker and an all around stand up guy. He worked for the DOT during the day, for me in the evenings and pastored his church all to provide for his children. He was using my fox pro. Part of me can’t help feeling guilt for letting him borrow it. He was hunting on land he had leased behind his parents house. He had hunted yotes numerous times in that very spot in the last month. The landowner is the shooters dad. I guess no one will know what really transpired but I pray the authorities get to the bottom of it. Just wanted to give some more context before any more assumptions are made. Please say a prayer for his wife and children ages 1 and 5.


Very sad situation on both sides of the fence.


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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: Ray B] #6165623
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So serious question here..

Can the pastors wife sue the guy who pulled the trigger?


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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: greggsinthehouse] #6165637
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Originally Posted By: greggsinthehouse
So serious question here..

Can the pastors wife sue the guy who pulled the trigger?


I would say yes she could.

Should she? That's a whole 'nother debate.

Mike


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Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
I would say yes she could.

Should she? That's a whole 'nother debate.

Mike


What is debatable about it?

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I think she should if there is a chance she might actually get the money. She has the kids to take care of. Hopefully it was nothing more than a terrible terrible mistake but he's still responsible.

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My guess is he (shooter) doesn't have a pot to .... in or a window to throw it out of. Hopefully he (pastor) had a decent life insurance policy.

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If the pastor had leased the property,sounds like the owners son didnt even belong back there.Not sure how that works in a lease agreement tho.The shooter should lose all rights to ever own a gun again in my opinion.Id think he didnt mean to shoot the guy but he did.Its too late now.I was raised like most probably were,to never ever shoot until you know positively what your shooting at.

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Re: Pastor killed while hunting coyotes [Re: pass-thru] #6165763
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Originally Posted By: pass-thru
Originally Posted By: MnMan
You notice that the news article made a point out of saying he was shot with an AR 15. Do you think they would have mentioned anything had he been shot with a bolt action Remington? Sad tragedy that should never have happened.


So you feel they should selectively withhold information to suit your political agenda? Too many morons already running around with AR 15's, 30 round magazines and bump stocks? Don't like the facts so just whine about them? Typical.

Pass-thru I’m not picking a fight, but MnMan makes a good point. The media uses anything they can. NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE. For example: That’s why they say a “teenager is shot by cops” when it’s a 18 year old man (Ferguson,MO), or a White/Hispanic (George Zimmerman) in Florida


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I've thought about the possibility of this happening for years...Coyote vocalizations and an anxious person acting without good visual I.D. of what the assumed target actually is...Unfortunate situation.


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Originally Posted By: pass-thru
Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
I would say yes she could.

Should she? That's a whole 'nother debate.

Mike


What is debatable about it?


Perhaps being a Christian and the wife of a minister she might decide to heed the teachings in the NT concerning lawsuits...

Again, her choice.

Mike


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Don't they typically kill several people turkey hunting a year in big populated turkey states such as Missouri? And from what I've heard, the largest shot that can be used in MO is #4. You got to be pretty close to someone to kill them with #4 shot.

We had an idiot out west in SD near a NWR that holds a lot of Can geese during the winter kill someone with a high-powered rifle. The victim was in one of those giant Can geese decoy blinds. Numbnuts put a round through it at multiple hundreds of yards. Somehow, I think the guy wasn't convicted of manslaughter but his family lost a big civil case...


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The mainstream media are nothing more than liars. They take what is said by LE and edit it to fit their own agenda then off to the races they go. There has got to be a legal means in which individual Officers, LE agencies and others whose info has been taken and edited from it's original context into the twisted demented crap that ends up on the news. With the advent of the new Body Worn cameras which you can not manipulate the video in any form or fashion, this was built into the software by Panasonic. The actual interview of the agency and or individual Officers and the Dept. PIO's is recorded and mandated by most agencies u der the best practices via the IACP and or the Texas Police Chiefs association or your states equivalent.

I do not think that the media can fall back on this right to free press to avoid civil litigation for intentional tampering with the actual statements and information to intentionally report an altered version of the interview that prompted them to reword what was actually said by the agency and or it's Officers to create a misrepresentation of the truth. To me, it would be a darn strong step forward for these agencies and individual Officers who's body camera videos are stored and accessible in the unedited version to initiate litigation against the irresponsible media group and set or at least put the others on notice that we aren't taking your BS anymore. Report on the full and unedited info or don't report at all. I can see individual Officers whose statements were severely taken out of context at the behest of the media for some chickens... Story being able to sue the media group for multiple causes. Man that would be nice to see and the media get slammed through the floor by Judges who are sick of this crap as well.

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Very Sad situation...on many fronts, especially for the Children!!!


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Shooter is an idiot. You don't shoot at sounds.

Ar15 and what the victim did for a living was added for effect.


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They finally filed charges on the moron!


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