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NAFA Question about private party sales #6167552
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Ok so can someone explain how this works. I get the auction part but I am confused about private party sales. Take skunks for instance does someone walk in and say hey I will give you X and NAFA says yay or nay? Or does NAFA have a set price similar to a garage sale format? Any insight would be appreciated.

Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: Kansas Rook] #6167556
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NAFA has a set price. It is called "the value". Based on their research and market study, that is the price they think the pelts are worth.

There can be some wiggle room, but this early in the season they most likely will stick with the values.


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Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: Kansas Rook] #6167561
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Thanks! Private party for skunks, badgers and what else?

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At this wolves, wolverine, possums. The odd ball stuff. Plus anything that doesn't sell in the auction room.

At the May sale, you will see wolves, wolverine and some of the odd items sold in the room.

To be quite honest, I'm surprised they are offering wolves and wolverine private treaty. They is usually quite a bit of competition.


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Again Many thanks. I was sure you would have the answer

Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: wissmiss] #6167580
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Originally Posted By: wissmiss
At this wolves, wolverine, possums. The odd ball stuff. Plus anything that doesn't sell in the auction room.

At the May sale, you will see wolves, wolverine and some of the odd items sold in the room.

To be quite honest, I'm surprised they are offering wolves and wolverine private treaty. They is usually quite a bit of competition.


Kind of losing the benefit of an Auction "competitive bidding". NAFA " North American Fur Agents"


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Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: Kansas Rook] #6167586
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Yup. I agree. I'm sure NAFA has a reason for doing this. Just can't imagine what it is.

On the wolves, it might be pelts that were no sale at the July auction. But that can't be the case with wolverine. So who knows.


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Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: Kansas Rook] #6167610
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I'm not so sure they go anywhere myself.???


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Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: red mt] #6167613
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Originally Posted By: red mt
I'm not so sure they go anywhere myself.???

Truth on many goods

The wolf and wolverine trappers aren't getting fair representation IMO as mentioned there is usually good action on them in the auction room. To remove the auction room is weird. There are less valuable and less desirable goods that will go across the auction block


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Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: Kansas Rook] #6167633
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Well there are 196 wolves to be auctioned. And 82 wolverines. There are 80 wolverine show lots, so that means there are 2 lots with 2 In them. I can see It would be a real cluster to try and sell each wolf and wolverine on It's own.
When looking at the wolf lots It looks like there are a few lots with 2 and 3 and 4 In them. And It looks like 5 Is the biggest lot.
I can see If they were sold on the auction floor It would probably take for ever.

The guys that are there to buy this stuff have looked at It and know what they want. And I'm sure NAFA has placed a price on them.


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Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: The Beav] #6167643
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Originally Posted By: The Beav
Well there are 196 wolves to be auctioned. And 82 wolverines. There are 80 wolverine show lots, so that means there are 2 lots with 2 In them. I can see It would be a real cluster to try and sell each wolf and wolverine on It's own.
When looking at the wolf lots It looks like there are a few lots with 2 and 3 and 4 In them. And It looks like 5 Is the biggest lot.
I can see If they were sold on the auction floor It would probably take for ever.

The guys that are there to buy this stuff have looked at It and know what they want. And I'm sure NAFA has placed a price on them.

So you're agreeing that North American fur AUCTION should just be a brokerage firm?


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Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: Kansas Rook] #6167647
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I can broker my own fur. I can't collect a bunch of buyers around to bid the price UP.


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Agreed


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Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: Kansas Rook] #6167653
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It's a small sampling. How do you know the seller wouldn't do just as good at PT? We don't.

Well It looks like the guys that sent their wolves to NAFA didn't have there own brokerage firm to handle that for them.


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So, Beav when we read the Auction results for wolves it will say 0 % sold? smile


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Originally Posted By: The Beav
It's a small sampling. How do you know the seller wouldn't do just as good at PT? We don't.

Well It looks like the guys that sent their wolves to NAFA didn't have there own brokerage firm to handle that for them.

So,
Since rats have had very little interest in the auction room as of late should nafa just PT them?
I mean, we know they have been but should they just PT?


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Traditionally, NAFA has always sold wolves and wolverine in very small or individual lots. At least as far back as 1984.

Wolves and wolverines have so many variables that it is almost impossible to lot them in bigger lots. And selling individually is the way the wolf and wolverine buyers want it.

At an ordinary NAFA sale, they sell the zoo animals on a separate day. They know the buyers will be in the room. I've been at NAFA wolf auctions that have taken 5 hours. One wolf at a time. And there are buyers in the room until the very end. You don't need a room full of buyers to have a successful auction. Some times the wolf auction with 5-6 bidders gets more action than a room full of "bidders" at a raccoon auction.


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Originally Posted By: Starvalleytrappe
Originally Posted By: The Beav
It's a small sampling. How do you know the seller wouldn't do just as good at PT? We don't.

Well It looks like the guys that sent their wolves to NAFA didn't have there own brokerage firm to handle that for them.

So,
Since rats have had very little interest in the auction room as of late should nafa just PT them?
I mean, we know they have been but should they just PT?



Come on that's a pretty poor argument. There are no 1 rat lots.


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At the January FHA sale, they had a lot with 3 muskrats. It was the top lot at the sale. Sold for $10.00. Buyer didn't even get recognition. LOL


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Re: NAFA Question about private party sales [Re: wissmiss] #6167694
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Originally Posted By: wissmiss
Traditionally, NAFA has always sold wolves and wolverine in very small or individual lots. At least as far back as 1984.

Wolves and wolverines have so many variables that it is almost impossible to lot them in bigger lots. And selling individually is the way the wolf and wolverine buyers want it.

At an ordinary NAFA sale, they sell the zoo animals on a separate day. They know the buyers will be in the room. I've been at NAFA wolf auctions that have taken 5 hours. One wolf at a time. And there are buyers in the room until the very end. You don't need a room full of buyers to have a successful auction. Some times the wolf auction with 5-6 bidders gets more action than a room full of "bidders" at a raccoon auction.


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