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Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175001
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Very few things, if measured accurately enough end up being zero. I'm sure there are a few funny exceptions to that, tho.

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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
6.99999999999999999 is just about 10 times more basic than 6.
I think not.


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Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175012
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Well, I'm not getting into a thinking match with anyone. I was just spit balling anyway.

Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175016
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I am having trouble articulating why I feel that a ph of 6 is not 10 times that of 7, which is neutral, despite the great info that has been served up.


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Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175018
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Originally Posted By: trapper les
That is the point of my question. 6 cannot be 10 times more acidic than 7, as 7 is neither acidic nor is it basic.
at pH of 7 the conc.of hydrogen+ ions and OH- ions are about the same. That’s neutral. It’s all about having more of one or the other. It’s not 0 at 7 for any concentration.

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Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175037
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You boys have too much time on your hands.

Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175038
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LOL. Trapping is slow right now.


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Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175049
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Originally Posted By: trapper les
I am tired of eating fish, yet I still go fishing. Fish eating advisory here is once a week , not at all for pregnant women. I wonder how much mercury is in my system .


Maybe you can get a part time job as a thermometer or air pressure gauge grin

To your original question

The term Neutral does not mean zero. It means an equilibrium. Say for a riven volume you have as many black as you have white ( crap this sounds racist ) Apples and oranges then. You have 50 apples and 50 oranges in the bucket at 7
At 6 you have 100 apples to 50 oranges.
Ignore the fact that both apples and oranges have acid in them.
Instead of the apples you can throw bars of soap into the bucket to make it look more realistic.
Well ya know what I mean

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Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175053
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Originally Posted By: trapper les
That is the point of my question. 6 cannot be 10 times more acidic than 7, as 7 is neither acidic nor is it basic.


You're over thinking it.


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thats a really good analogy scuba

here's a pic i found that relays that, I hope



pH shows the concentration of hydrogen ions (OH- or H+)

at a ph of 5, there is a H+ concentration of 10^-5 moles = 0.00001

the -log(10^-5) = 5......5 is a whole lot easier to write than -log(10^-5) (which is almost impossible to type)

at a pH of 4 - the H+ concentration of 10^-4 = .0001

the -log(10^-4) = 4

there is a 10x difference between .0001 and .00001

which just so happens to be a difference of the -log function....of 1


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LOL I got won even better . How can it be below zero. How can you not have a temp reading. Zero is none. confused

Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175261
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smile


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Re: ph scale [Re: jbyrd63] #6175265
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Originally Posted By: jbyrd63
LOL I got won even better . How can it be below zero. How can you not have a temp reading. Zero is none. confused


Switch to the Kelvin scale, no negative readings there.

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Originally Posted By: jbyrd63
LOL I got won even better . How can it be below zero. How can you not have a temp reading. Zero is none. confused


If you are measuring in Kelvin you don't have to worry about it because we would all dead anyway long before it reaches zero!

What I wan't to know if if 0 Kelvin is absolute zero, what is the hottest something can get?

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/zidbits.com/2012/01/what-is-the-hottest-temperature-2/amp/
This article says absolute hot may be a negative number. Why is numbers so hard?

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Dang new math ,

Interesting article.


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Originally Posted By: trapper les
I am having trouble articulating why I feel that a ph of 6 is not 10 times that of 7, which is neutral, despite the great info that has been served up.


Don't think of it being "ten times more acidic". The level between what we call acid and what we call alkaline is numerically arbitrary, it just uses the value of pure water. It's only our naming system that uses water as the border line. If we used a light acid like boric acid (pH = 5.2)as the border line, we would consider water a base. The 10X factor is only used to translate a complex number into a simple one, where really just measuring the H-ion content.

Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175332
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I got it .


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Re: ph scale [Re: trapper les] #6175512
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I've been to Hurley a few times but do not recall the pH.

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I am sure that Hurley is pretty basic.


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