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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: FairbanksLS] #6180338
03/07/18 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: gray dog
I think we should roast pharmaceutical workers. We all know how cheap health care is.


News said the WV strike is over.
Can we roast golfers tomorrow?

Lol...might as well just roast me. I am a golfer that is a Pharmaceutical Worker in WV, and I'm in a union.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Dfabs] #6180347
03/07/18 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dfabs
Originally Posted By: gray dog
I think we should roast pharmaceutical workers. We all know how cheap health care is.


News said the WV strike is over.
Can we roast golfers tomorrow?

Lol...might as well just roast me. I am a golfer that is a Pharmaceutical Worker in WV, and I'm in a union.

The trifecta lol.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180386
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Fabs you're up.
I have a bag full of golf clubs I'll trade for a union card.
Hucksters gotta eat too lmao.

When I was a kid an old wise man told me.
"A working man might only get a few good teachers in life, pay attention when you do".
He was so right.

Back then, those conditions would in todays times get teachers in jail for abuse. I could not do the job today even if I had the degrees.





Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Wright Brothers] #6180421
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Originally Posted By: Wright Brothers


Back then, those conditions would in todays times get teachers in jail for abuse. I could not do the job today even if I had the degrees.


The only time I ever got paddled in school was by the woman who is now the superintendent of schools in our county.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Catch22] #6180435
03/07/18 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Catch22
Teacher unions keep bad teachers teaching and stifle wages of good teachers. I think our kids would be much better off if they got rid of the union and went to a merit based system. Produce results, or your fired!


X2 that's how it works outside of liberalville. Lol


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180443
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Originally Posted By: AntiGov
Originally Posted By: Catch22
Teacher unions keep bad teachers teaching and stifle wages of good teachers. I think our kids would be much better off if they got rid of the union and went to a merit based system. Produce results, or your fired!


X2 that's how it works outside of liberalville. Lol


Did unions introduce socialism into free market capatalism?


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Dfabs] #6180505
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Originally Posted By: Dfabs
Originally Posted By: gray dog
I think we should roast pharmaceutical workers. We all know how cheap health care is.


News said the WV strike is over.
Can we roast golfers tomorrow?

Lol...might as well just roast me. I am a golfer that is a Pharmaceutical Worker in WV, and I'm in a union.


Dfabs,

Do you work in the manufacturing side at Mylan? My wife runs a lab in QC.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180520
03/07/18 04:33 PM
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Strikes like that are an indication of failure and poor management. Teachers are paid literally poverty wages (they qualify for food stamps) but if they have to ask for a measley 5 percent raise they are ignored until they walk out. FIVE percent of POVERTY. It is a disgrace.
More than ever, this generation needs education to be a much higher priority than it has been. There will never be enough money. What there is can be prioritized better.
So these teachers are celebrating a minuscule 5 percent raise. When does the next one come along? Without a higher priority-- never--until the next strike.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180541
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I don't believe that it is just my imagination that those on here that express a loathing for teachers also expose themselves as being uninformed and uneducated.

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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Dfabs] #6180576
03/07/18 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dfabs
Originally Posted By: gray dog
I think we should roast pharmaceutical workers. We all know how cheap health care is.


News said the WV strike is over.
Can we roast golfers tomorrow?

Lol...might as well just roast me. I am a golfer that is a Pharmaceutical Worker in WV, and I'm in a union.


I'm a union member, but I work in the private sector. My wage/benefit package is contingent on what the market will bear. If I'm not careful I can negotiate myself right out of work...

Public sector unions aren't bound by the market. They don't have to take competition/market share into consideration.

Mike


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: wkimble1] #6180608
03/07/18 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: wkimble1


Dfabs,

Do you work in the manufacturing side at Mylan? My wife runs a lab in QC.


All union jobs at Mylan are in manufacturing. I was offered a company job before. I would prefer to have the protection that a union job offers me there. That place is pretty cutthroat. The labs are a scary place to work right now. Plus, with the option to work overtime, I have the ability to make more money than my supervisor makes. Is she at the main plant, or have they moved her over to the new labs?

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: TurkeyTime] #6180631
03/07/18 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: TurkeyTime
Like I said earlier I teach and am fine with my wage. I do not believe in striking teachers. However there are a lot of uninformed statements:
1. Extra duty pay is no good. I do extra duties that I like however the hourly rate is always at or below minimum wage if you keep track of hours.
2. Hours per week? Class concession stand week for basketball tournament= 35 hours teaching + 10 hours concession stand+ 3 hour dance. Track meet weeks: 35 teaching, 6 practice, 12 meets.
3. Tenured teachers can be gotten rid of administration just hasn't been forced to do it.
4. Yes one can retire at an early age. If it looks good and easy get the education, teach, and do the same.
5. Our medical insurance is horrible. I have it for myself as the school pays for it however if I had the plan for spouse and children it would be $950 per month.
6. Teachers should be there because they love the kids. This is very true. Healthcare costs are out of control so Doctors and nurses should take pay cuts as they should be satisfied to be helping people. Plumbers and heating and air guys should be happy to help someone in need so should not charge extra for after hour calls. Dozer and track hoe operators charging 3 hours minimum for 1 hour of work?
7. Teachers knew what they were getting into as far as pay goes so they should deal with it. So 100 years ago miners and factory workers should have just put up with their pay. Forget work place safety equipment and food inspections. You know what you are getting into so deal with the dangerous conditions.
Like I said I am fine with the pay but unless you have taught and worked in any other job most comments don't hold water. and Yes I have housed tobacco, mowed hay, combined, carpentered, plumbed, done electricity, etc.


Preach on man!

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180667
03/07/18 07:52 PM
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Not surprised you think so anti, you seem like the type that’s never set foot in a school.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Cole semo] #6180742
03/07/18 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: Cole semo
Not surprised you think so anti, you seem like the type that’s never set foot in a school.


What's less surprising is that you agree with the other liberals on here


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Dfabs] #6180747
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Main plant.

Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: Muskrat] #6180748
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Originally Posted By: Muskrat
Originally Posted By: Rat Trapper Sr.
Teachers are nothing but a bunch of liberals, who preach the DNC talking points. They deserve a pay cut not a raise!


Ah, one of our finer Trapperman teacher haters finally emerges from the dismal swamp and regurgitates the anti-teacher mantra.

We've been down this road before here on T-man, several times. Fellow trappers like RTS artfully summarize their points with the swill posted above. And by God teachers are all overpaid.

I've wasted my time on this subject here before, hence the "whip 'em, just whip 'em good."

But for old times' sake, I'll share a little bit again.

Went to college on the GI Bill from '75-'79. Graduated with a bachelor's degree in biology from UW-La Crosse, interned in Baraboo that spring semester, liked what I was doing, supervising teacher's father passed away in MN, and Benny took over the farm. I was willing to coach track and football and started fulltime teaching biology that next fall. Base salary was $9850, and if I recall correctly I was rewarded 4% of the base for each of the coaching duties.

I didn't ask what I'd be making, didn't want to know. Just wanted to teach biology. So my wife, daughter and I lived in a trailer out in the country and got along on that $9850.

I do recall a day when I was sitting in the teacher's lounge grading papers and I innocently asked some of the older teachers there if they thought we'd get a raise the next year. That was met with much laughter and negative comments on the members of the school board. But I vividly remember an elderly English teacher taking me aside towards the end of that period and telling me this . . . "Mike, don't worry about your salary. You'll make enough to live on, and if you enjoy teaching, you'll have a wonderful career for thirty-some years. And when it comes time to retire, you'll have a good health insurance package and pension, and people will appreciate what you've done all these years."

So when we got bumped to $10,500 the next year, I was ecstatic to say the least. So I went about business for the next thirty years and retired in 2010.

It was a wonderful career for thirty-one years . . . for teachers in my age group anyway. We got the health insurance bridge to 65, got the pension, and for the most part people appreciated what we had done with their children. The health insurance bridge is gone for many teachers here in WI now, the pension is solid, and do most people appreciate what teachers do with their children today? Good question.

I do know this: teacher turnover, especially in the younger generation, is accelerating. Teaching here in Wisconsin has become a "stepping stone" job. Can't find the job you're looking for? Get a teaching degree and "do that" for a couple of years until something turns up. Don't believe it? Research for yourself. I'd post links but I'd be accused of posting links to fake news and I've had a belly full of that interpretation.

For 31 years I taught in the "same" classroom, though a new lab was built on the other side of the building during my time. The fella I replaced, Benny, was there for only 19 years, and retired only because his father passed and the family farm issue came up. The fella he replaced was there for at least 35 years from what I remember. Three teachers over the course of 85 years.

Five years after I retired in 2010 my old classroom saw three different teachers. I haven't kept in contact with the chemistry teacher across the hall to see if the number has changed, but he's retiring soon and I'll find out at his get together.

These statistics aren't changing much. In the dead of winter I sub up and down the river in the small schools that line the Lower Wisconsin River valley. Same is true here, and as pointed out in a previous post, the number of qualified candidates to teach certain subject areas is getting smaller annually. With our governor's blessing, schools are now hiring teachers away from other schools, giving them pay raises and benefits to encourage them to "jump ship." This is leaving the smaller, less financed schools without qualified staff to do the job. What remains to do the job? As parents, you don't want to know, believe me.

It wasn't until I became a member of this trapping forum that I discovered there was true hatred for teachers. Oh, I knew there was some dislike out there, axes to grind, but never the deep, down hatred expressed by some of our more distinguished members here. It used to rile me up reading how all teachers are . . how did Rat Trapper Sr. put it? They're all a bunch of liberals, they preach DNC talking points, and they deserve a pay cut not a raise.

Fellas like RTS probably haven't been in a classroom since they were in high school. They wouldn't know what an IEP was if it bit 'em in the arse. More than likely, they envision what goes on inside the building similar to what was happening during their time. In other words, they haven't a clue as to what's changed.

Hang in there good teachers. Focus on why you got into teaching in the first place. Don't dwell too long on the ramblings of RTS and his ilk. They'll always be out there, hating you for your chosen occupation and the money/benefits you're making at the public's expense. And you'll have to deal with their kids, who come to school already brainwashed that you're not worth listening to in the first place. Seat them in the front row, maybe they'll learn something!

Now where was I . . . oh yea!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM

"Just whip 'em, and whip 'em good!"








Teachers will most likely end up being treated like cops are being treated. When kids end up as ****heads, it's the teachers fault for not raising them right.


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180782
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Some one is always going to get paid more and some less! JMO


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180784
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https://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/teach...0066b6418f.html
Here's a link to some interesting numbers for those who nix math instead of emotion

45k average WV teacher salary, but actual compensation is 75k average with benefits . Not too shabby for a 3/4 time worker no matter how you slice it .

75k is much higher than the median annual wage in West Virginia .

There are some great teachers out there some where I'm sure . Prolly in some rural conservative areas , but the teaching profession and education system are rife with mind rot liberalism. A shame and a sham as they are brain washing millions of children everyday.

My point of this thread was to show the entitlement mentality and ridiculousness of this illegal strike causing a huge disservice to students and their families .


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I have helped my Granddaughter with homework. Some of the stuff is pretty sickening.


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Re: West Virginia teachers strike [Re: AntiGov] #6180804
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Originally Posted By: AntiGov
Originally Posted By: Cole semo
Not surprised you think so anti, you seem like the type that’s never set foot in a school.


What's less surprising is that you agree with the other liberals on here

If paying teachers a decent wage is a liberal idea I guess I’ll take that.

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