Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: corky]
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03/11/18 10:59 PM
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I'm betting this DD Isn't all what he portrays On here. I'm betting he Isn't as pure as driving snow like he would have us believe.
I'm crossing the tracks to get where I want to go. I have 1000s of acres just across the train tracks that Is open to the public or I have permission to be on. And the tracks aren't going to stop me. Even If The dirty one thinks I'm wrong.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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03/11/18 11:04 PM
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In my profession I deal with railroads frequently. In my opinion I have never dealt with a bunch of more arrogant self important people....ever, no matter what the rail line.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: corky]
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Isn't past your bed time?
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: corky]
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Lots more to it than a stopsign for a public or private crossing.Whistle posts each way flanger markers for the snow plow/fighter,if its on a curve or a busy crossing there may be permanent slow order signs and then the mtc of the crossing. And if you think people are smart enough to look both ways when crossing tracks,just take a look on u tube.Not nice when a trainman has to live with killing stupid people thru no fault of his own,and not nice for the mtc of way crew picking up the mess.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: The Beav]
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03/12/18 04:10 AM
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Why does any property owner require separate or special laws concerning trespassing? Little extreme for what amounts to a minor legal infraction if you trespass on anyone else. Canada must have some special kind-of railroad crossing rules. Around here, many crossing have nothing but the RR crossing sign. Some have a stop sign. The last lighted crossing that got put in around close to me happened because the RR maintenance truck slammed into a vehicle crossing the track. It's a saddening occurrence but driving does require you to be observant of your surroundings. Passing laws won't fix stupid, or over-come natural selection. I don't know, but if the RR has at ANY time received public funds (tax money), then it'd be my belief that the tax payers earned the right to cross at their own risk. If the RR purchased it's property, paid it's taxes, and did so without any public money assistance. Then they might have an argument. It doesn't sound like that's the case though. I levitate in moments of crisis, so I'm good with whatever they come up with.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: Dirty D]
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03/12/18 07:31 AM
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I think I've won this debate, Never a reasoned discussion, just name calling. Nobody is winning this "debate." It's not a debate. Thousands of hunters, fishermen and trappers are being denied access to public lands and waters they've accessed for most of their lives due to one politician's stroke of the pen and another politician's refusal to reverse it. Since you agree with the decision that restricts thousands of these sportsmen and women access to these areas, you are, in my books, as good as an anti. Therefore, you are an anti. No name calling, it is what it is. You sir, are looking out for #1.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: corky]
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03/12/18 08:55 AM
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The annual Conservation Congress Spring Hearings are less than a month away. Doesn't look like this issue is moving anywhere, so with that thought in mind, why not a resolution on this railroad crossing issue.
Here's my suggestion: Incorporate "Railroad Tracks Crossing Safety" into our trapper ed, hunter ed, and angler education programs. Yea, we can't fix stupid, so we'll try the educational route. I doubt if those who are drunk, stoned or are intent on ending their lives will incorporate this useful knowledge into their everyday thought processes, but maybe we can help ourselves.
Try to keep your eyeballs from rolling into the back of your head, please. Look, we've been told it's a safety issue, right? Well, so is giving a 12 year-old a 30.06 to hunt deer with. That's why we have hunter education.
Here are the parameters of a resolution:
In order for a resolution to be accepted for further consideration by the Conservation Congress and for public vote at the annual Conservation Congress county meeting, all resolutions introduced must meet the following requirements: 1.The concern must be of statewide impact. 2.The concern must be practical, achievable and reasonable. 3.The resolution must have a clear title. 4.The resolution must clearly define the concern. 5.Current state statutes and laws must be considered, with reasonable cause for change being presented. 6.The resolution must clearly suggest a solution to the concern and a description of further action desired.
Well, let's see. It's certainly of statewide impact. It's practical to teach someone how to cross railroad tracks safely, it is achievable, and certainly reasonable. We can work on the clear title, that's what comes to mind now. Oh, we have a definite concern, and there is certainly reasonable cause for change.
The solution will be an education program infused into our big three mentioned above, plus statewide instruction and "field test outs" for all of us who don't need to attend hunter ed, trapper ed, or angler ed.
We can offer this up to the hunter ed and angler ed coordinators to take care of their own people. Trapper ed instructors can be educated at the fall rondy in Marshfield. We could lay down a couple of 2x4s, measure the distance between 'em to simulate railroad tracks, and have training sessions on how to look both ways before crossing.
Yea, it's silly. But we have a governor who doesn't appear to budge on this issue and fellow trappers like Dirty D. So we take care of business.
If we can get something written up and agreed upon yet this week I'll make copies for the spring meeting this coming Saturday.
At least this way while I'm sitting in jail some future day for crossing the tracks to check 'rat sets I'll know at least I tried.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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A Pedestrian Bridge would cover most foot traffic issues. Boat/ vehicle access is another issue. RR have tremendous power in politics , often akin to the Postal Services. They are slowly eroding in their power , but it will take generations I fear for needed results.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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How many railroad dicks are there patrolling the area? Has anyone been hauled off to the grey bar hotel yet? Just keep doing what you been doing.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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03/12/18 12:20 PM
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How many railroad dicks are there patrolling the area? Has anyone been hauled off to the grey bar hotel yet? Just keep doing what you been doing. I saw one during deer season of 2016. Orange from head to ankles walking the tracks with no firearm visible. That was down here. This year none. I've crossed tracks to work sets many times and have yet to be arrested. I believe they're working the areas that receive most traffic up along the big river. We've got folks walking and crossing the tracks most anywhere in this little town in southwestern Wisconsin just to get to the store or post office or whatever. I'm looking forward to my first arrest. Last time I was in jail was in Bangkok in 1973. Wasn't for crossing railroad tracks though.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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Maybe we are just drawing to much attention to this Issue.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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Muskrat, I like your sensible approach using a system already in place to address such issues. It is at least a step towards an organized approach. Outdoors men and women are gonna have to get united on common issues, whether they feel directly impacted or not.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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03/12/18 01:15 PM
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Maybe we are just drawing to much attention to this Issue. What? You've had plenty to say about it up til now. Comfortable just taking your chances? No reason to rock the boat? I'm lost by that comment.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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Maybe we are just drawing to much attention to this Issue. Too late Chief Big Stones, you’re going to break the law. You posted that in no uncertain terms. And I’ll bet no Wisconsin CPOs tune in to TrapperMan. LOL! Thanks for the entertainment!
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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If the road was in place before the railroad,then the Railroad is responsible for installing the crossing,all signage on road and rail and maintenance. If the railroad was there first,then the crossing is the responsibility of the road/driveway owner.
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