Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: corky]
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03/11/18 02:52 PM
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Too dangerous.You want to cross the track approach the railway so they can install a crossing and erect whistle boards and crossing signs,flanger markers etc,so they don't have a liability and the public can cross safely and the railroad workers can do their job safely also.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: corky]
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03/11/18 03:26 PM
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I don't get it either. Wisconsin has a law already that basically says if someone on your property, is injured, while recreating, the property owner can't be held responsible. It seems that most power companies with land along river recognize this. I also see railroads as different from other property owners, as they cross thousand of other private properties. People own blocks of land, and they have a strip that extends thousands of miles. There are property owners that were forced to sell easement rights to them through eminent domain, or it was taken from people who settled the land before the tracks came through. They seriously want to stop a guy that owns lands on both sides from crossing? The public along that stretch owns both sides, the road and the river. I see a lot of differences between them and typical property owners.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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Good article, thanks for the link Corky. Those who equate crossing RR tracks to gain access to public lands and waters with crossing private property might as well be antis. Not an anti in the least. BUT.... Are you trying to claim that RR property is not private property? Give me some justification to say its not private property. If it is private property then you have no right to use it. Simple as that in my mind. One or the other, there is no in between in this country. You may not like the RR stance but if it is indeed private prop. do they, like all private prop. owners have the right to control access to their own prop? I get where alot of you are upset about this, If it wasn't your your ox getting gored you would not care. Nobody has given one reason that the public should have access to private property here yet other than I want to fishing on the other side. Does not matter if the strip of land the RR owns is 20ft wide or 20,000 ft wide, you still have no right to use it. I'm looking at the big picture here.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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I don't get it either. Wisconsin has a law already that basically says if someone on your property, is injured, while recreating, the property owner can't be held responsible. It seems that most power companies with land along river recognize this. I also see railroads as different from other property owners, as they cross thousand of other private properties. People own blocks of land, and they have a strip that extends thousands of miles. There are property owners that were forced to sell easement rights to them through eminent domain, or it was taken from people who settled the land before the tracks came through. They seriously want to stop a guy that owns lands on both sides from crossing? The public along that stretch owns both sides, the road and the river. I see a lot of differences between them and typical property owners. Spot on!
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: corky]
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03/11/18 06:03 PM
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This is for Dirty Doofus:
No one is trying to claim railroads are not private property. That is one (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) of a strawman argument. We're simply looking for what amounts to a number of simple ingress/egress easements.
Us sportsmen, a group that includes hunters, fisherman, and trappers (why someone who doesn't identify as a sportsmen and seemingly disdains sportsmen is posting on a trapping forum is beyond me but I digress...) are not looking to interfere with or impede the activities of the landowner (BNSF) or infringe on their land use practices in anyway. See the statistics in the original posters linked article. There have been no accidents involving sportsmen and if we could float over their land and avoid setting foot on it all together we would.
Us sportsmen, a group that includes all hunters, fisherman, and trappers, simply want access to the acres of public land our tax dollars and hunting license fees pay for. We want access to the water that belongs to all the people in Wisconsin. The water that an arbitrary rule by a democratic governor took away from us.
You like looking at bigger pictures, eh? How about you stop paying private landowners for access, bud. You do a complete, utter disservice to every hunter, trapper, and fisherman in this great state when you plant the seed that we should have to pay. You're also hurting yourself because eventually someone is going to come along with more money and buy your spot right out from under you. Additionally, when word gets around that there is a pretty penny to be made it can make it extraordinarily difficult for us poor folks to get access of any kind. It starts with a few bucks here and there and then before you know it entire areas and states are locked up in hunting leases.
If you have so much money to burn and disdain for the outdoorsmen of this state, perhaps you should pick up golf and leave the trapping to the people that need it?
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: corky]
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[/quote] Spot on Rat.
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Chris[quote] X3 Anyone who uses the Mississippi really has gotten the raw deal on this one. Thousands of acres of habitat that we have lost access to. Brian
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: corky]
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03/11/18 07:01 PM
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Anyone can cross the railroad tracks,just pay for the crossing and related signals and mtc,and the rr will put one in for you. They sure as h--- aint going to pay for it for you.The sense of entitlement some people have is rampant today..
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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I get where alot of you are upset about this, If it wasn't your your ox getting gored you would not care.
You don't have a clue, anti.
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
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This is for Dirty Doofus:
No one is trying to claim railroads are not private property. That is one (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) of a strawman argument. We're simply looking for what amounts to a number of simple ingress/egress easements.
Us sportsmen, a group that includes hunters, fisherman, and trappers (why someone who doesn't identify as a sportsmen and seemingly disdains sportsmen is posting on a trapping forum is beyond me but I digress...) are not looking to interfere with or impede the activities of the landowner (BNSF) or infringe on their land use practices in anyway. See the statistics in the original posters linked article. There have been no accidents involving sportsmen and if we could float over their land and avoid setting foot on it all together we would.
Us sportsmen, a group that includes all hunters, fisherman, and trappers, simply want access to the acres of public land our tax dollars and hunting license fees pay for. We want access to the water that belongs to all the people in Wisconsin. The water that an arbitrary rule by a democratic governor took away from us.
You like looking at bigger pictures, eh? How about you stop paying private landowners for access, bud. You do a complete, utter disservice to every hunter, trapper, and fisherman in this great state when you plant the seed that we should have to pay. You're also hurting yourself because eventually someone is going to come along with more money and buy your spot right out from under you. Additionally, when word gets around that there is a pretty penny to be made it can make it extraordinarily difficult for us poor folks to get access of any kind. It starts with a few bucks here and there and then before you know it entire areas and states are locked up in hunting leases.
If you have so much money to burn and disdain for the outdoorsmen of this state, perhaps you should pick up golf and leave the trapping to the people that need it?
You sound like a liberal, resorting to name calling right away. You admit its private property, so you have no right to use it. Which means no to using it to access lands beyond. I read the article. It states there are other ways to access the water. Walking/atv from a different access point, paying for access at a sports bar. I'm sure there are other ways to access the river all up and down the river. Maybe you'll have to pay for it or maybe its more work but none of that changes the fact. A Private Property owner no longer wants you using their property. It does not matter that there has been no accidents, deaths, maulings or whatever on RR property. I don't know where you live but where I am lots of land that was private and was accessible simply by asking is now off limits to me and other responsible sportsmen because of the slob "sportsmen" that ruined it. Guys who trespassed without permission (sounds like the RR situation), left messes, cut fences and disrespected the property owner. I now have to pay and others do too for the use private property because of these other "sportsmen". I thank the owner and his agents, I pick up trash left by slob "sportsmen", I report damage and hazards, I respect the rules that the land owner puts on me to use his property, and I even rat out guys who trespass without permission. Someday the property might be off limits to me and the dozens of other that currently pay for its use. If that day comes I'll be bummed but I won't be whining that I should get to use his property so I can access the river. The $300 dollars that I pay to access his property for a years use is small potatoes. Hard to beleive that anyone that goes fishing can't scrap together $300 in a years time. Thats about 85 cents a day. I'm open to change my mind. Give me a logical reason that a private property owner has to allow the general public to use his property. Why is your DESIRE for recreation of more importance than his RIGHT to limit who goes on his property?
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Re: Railroad crossing in WI article
[Re: Muskrat]
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03/11/18 10:38 PM
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I get where alot of you are upset about this, If it wasn't your your ox getting gored you would not care.
You don't have a clue, anti. you guys are all the same. No logical reason why a private property owner has to allow others on his land. but cause I don't agree I'm evil. I've been in the same situation many times, my hunting/fishing spots on private lands ended up closed to me. I move on and find another place or another way. I talked to one large farm owner about why I couldn't hunt his land after years of doing it. He mentioned all the litter, destruction of property, atv's and snowmobiles crossing his land to get to trails on other side and on and on. I saw it and agreed with him. If I was him it would be a cold day in (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) before I let another person in. I think I've won this debate, Never a reasoned discussion, just name calling.
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