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Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6194331
03/21/18 01:00 AM
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Remember how it floats now and how it floats in week waterlogged are 2 different things......might need to seal up with some wood sealer


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Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6194332
03/21/18 01:07 AM
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Mine floats for about a week, and it freezes up here...fall trapping. Styrofoam helps with that.


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Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6194695
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I screwed two lengths of 1 1/2 PVC to the sides of my float then I shot them full of expandable foam. I posted some pictures of It but I have no idea how to find It. It was called the "ultimate float".

The blocker between the 2 traps folded down for ease of storage and hauling. I never ever caught one rat In 2 traps with that set up. And I think the white PVC acted as eye appeal.


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Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6194865
03/21/18 01:50 PM
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I looked for your old post but couldn't find it either. Maybe a Moderator can pull the picture out of the archives somewhere.


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Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6194892
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...it's about learning to dance in the rain!
Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6194955
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I believe that's the one, from back in 2015.

Thanks WIMarshrat

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Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6195397
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Yep that's It.


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Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6195562
03/22/18 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: Doogie
les its in the Muskrat stools thread on the Strictly Tapping page.


Ok Marshrat, where’s this one?:)

Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6196367
03/22/18 08:57 PM
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...it's about learning to dance in the rain!
Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: WIMarshRAT] #6196543
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Always count on you. Thanks for the added flavor!

Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6196899
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Stuff is pretty easy for most to find if you know what you are looking for. So searching for beav's float, all I did was search for "ultimate float" and trapperman on Google.

For your second request, it took me longer to find out what you were looking for. I believe that one, I searched doogie, muskrat stool and trapperman. Almost always pulls up as the first search result.


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Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6202238
03/29/18 12:41 AM
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It took quite some time and effort but I revived Jonathan's post. I hope you all appreciate it, lol.


Thought this may be an opportunity to establish a reference for muskrat floats on the Archive register. Over the past two years, I have commented on them when asked, and have assembled an album of various designs for my personal Trapping Library.

Let me preface this commentary with the fact that I am by no means an expert, authority, or long term muskrat float trapper, although I have used them. My interest in them has been more out of curiosity to catalog the ingenuity of designs through research and to compliment my Trapping Library for the benefit of younger trappers who wish to explore their use as a methods option.

Before using these floats, it would be best to check your state's trapping regulations, especially for being able to use the floating "colony trap" version, which is essentially a multiple catch trapping device that cannot be used in several states.

Here is a compilation of several different muskrat float images taken from internet resources and cataloged for this ongoing library. None of them are mine! I made a few "floats" as a kid 50 years ago - very crude, and not near the caliber of these. And, a couple over the years since then. I have credited the makers when possible. I will continue to catalog additional muskrat float variations as they show up to add to this journal.

These floats can be anchored from the unit to the bottom using a weight, or stake, with wire , cable, or chain for attachment - a personal preference dependent upon the substrate in a given location and the ease of installation.

An often asked question is if floats can be used in rivers. In my opinion, yes, if you can keep them out of the heavy currents, along the edges, or in backwater areas. The biggest concern for using them in a river environment would be the potential for extreme fluctuations in water levels from heavy rain in the watershed, or from hydroelectric operations between dams and navigational locks, if that may be the case in your situation. Anchoring where wide fluctuations in water levels is a factor, a slip noose of some configuration is used on a solid, tall enough stake for the depth to the float to a accommodate that variation.

Tidal marshes undoubtedly have their own unique water level considerations. Maybe some of the larger river, or tidal marsh trappers here have made extensive use of them in their unusual trapping environments and can elaborate on their utility and how they anchor them in those conditions.

I used them many years ago in the quiet waters of wide ditches, farm ponds and in cattail marshes just to see if they "worked." They have their little niche in the muskrat trapping drama, but are cumbersome to handle, transport and anchor. They would not be a desirable consideration for my rat trapping methods, but I have a couple in case I may ever want to use one for that rare application.


The use of brand new wood for floats often arises. For the "wooden" framed floats, it would be best to use "aged" wood if you can locate some scrap lumber already in that condition. To weatherize it from scratch as new wood may take longer than you think. If new wood is your only option, get some cheap black, brown, or dark green spray paint at the "dollar" store and dust it after construction. Or, you could get a wood stain with a color of your choice and swab it down to cover the light wood.

Another major consideration is their high visibility for potential theft. With the thoughts of minimizing a float's visibility, reducing theft potential, and increasing attractability for the rats, camouflaging could easily be incorporated into to them. Although, some trappers using those with the colorful flotation foams, claim the bright colors are actually a bonus as a sight lure for the rats to check out the float. Experiment, observe and learn!

Any of these designs could be readily adapted with camouflage, using a little ingenuity, to accommodate a natural looking covering from local vegetation, or shoreline debris to match the surroundings as much as possible if so inclined. Possum Skinner's float is a prime example of "hiding" the structure with a reed mat, as well as providing a more natural look that may be more attractive for muskrats to investigate and to minimize visibility as a deterrent for theft.

The dimensions for these can be estimated by using the traps as a reference for extrapolation to measurements.

Jonathan

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#1 - "Mingo" Rat Floats - Canada




#2 - "Mingo" Closeups



#3 - "ADC" Rat Float



#4 - "CJ" Rat Float



#5 - "Animals Only" Rat Float - #1



#6 - "Animals Only" Rat Float - #2



#7 - "Freeburg Trapper" Rat Float



#8 - "Keith French" Rat Float



#9 - "Fishguts" Rat Float - #1



#10 - "Fishguts" Rat Float - #2



#11 - "Fishguts" Rat Float - #3



#12 - Unknown 4-Way Rat Float



#13 - Unknown Rat Float - #110's



#14 - "Youngcoon" Rat Float



#15 - "Possum Skinner" Rat Float - #1



#16 - "Possum Skinner" Rat Float - #2



#17 - "Possum Skinner" Rat Float - #3



#18 - "Bak2trappin" Rat Float



#19 - "Northcountry" Rat Float - #1



#20 - Northcountry" Rat Float - #2



CONTINUED...

Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6202239
03/29/18 12:44 AM
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#21 - "trapper_max" Rat Float - #1



#22 - "trapper_max" Rat Float - #2



#23 - "pigtrapper" Rat Float



#24 & 25 - "Sprytle" Rat Float - #1 & 2





#26 - #28 "WalkonWater" Rat Float - #1,2 &3







#29 - "madtrapper" Rat Float



#30 - "Cumbtrapper" Rat Float - Canada



#31 - "Riley Johnson" Rat Float



#32 - "Casey" Rat Float



#33 - #36 "Ketchikan" Colony Float #1,2,3&4





#37 - "Ketchikan" Colony Trap Float #5



#38 - "Dew" Rat Float, Michigan



CONTINUED...

Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6202240
03/29/18 12:45 AM
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#39 - #41 - "aqua.driller" Rat Float, Illinois





#42 - "Hawkeye" Rat Float - Maine



#43 - "Mailman1" Rat Float



The rough dimensions for this floating "colony" trap are as follows:
- Overall unit = 24" tall, 12" wide
- Upper chamber = 7"X7"X12"
- Lower chamber = 12"X17"
- The platform is 12"X36", with 6" extensions on the ends for trap placement.

Note the unique use of burlap for the upper chamber.

This colony trap was patterned after this one:

#44 - "pnwmtnma" Rat Float - Washington



Details and plans for constructing this trap by "pnwmtnma" are in this link:

http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthrea...atin#Post243644

#45 - Brahn Commercial Float



#46 - Melby Commercial Float



#47 - Muddyriverdogz - Illinois


#48 - #53 - Riverman - Minnesota













#54 - Vinke, WA - Cage Trap On Float



#55 - #59 - Beavernator, NC








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Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6202297
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Thanks ADC for taking the time and effort to post all the pics! Once again, this forum and the people posting go above and beyond to teach and share a wealth of info! I have now ordered more traps and going to dig through my scrap wood pile to build a few floats!

Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6202311
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Wow thats a great collection of ideas! I especially like the ones you can make out of timber in the woods so you dont have to lug much material.

Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6202534
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Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6202552
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most of those floats above are missing more than catching. In the rat game it's not about how many you catch, but how many you miss.

Conibears are a very poor substitute to a foothold on a float.

Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: gwade] #6202567
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I have never float trapped, and make no real plans to ever try it, but if I did, I would look up the post from Huntgod on this site, and just do that.



Re: Making Muskrat Floats [Re: Calvin] #6202688
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Originally Posted By: Calvin
most of those floats above are missing more than catching. In the rat game it's not about how many you catch, but how many you miss.

Conibears are a very poor substitute to a foothold on a float.


And how many get left behind....if we only knew LOL.
I’m more about percentage, it’s gotta be high to drag the extra gear. I ain’t sayin it cant be done either. Matter o fact i believe it could!
However I don’t think bigger is always better especially when I gotta carry it around.

Crazy work there ADC. WOW

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