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Snare / cable restraint support question #6203477
03/30/18 06:13 PM
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I have looked at a couple of different setups that people use - some makers put a piece of tubing on their wire for the support while others use a universal support collar.

Is there a preference between the two? and if so why?

Thanks.

Brian


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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question [Re: Green Bay] #6203513
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A double ferrule works great also: (click on the picture for larger image)


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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question [Re: Green Bay] #6203524
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Twist on supports are junk.

Whammies work great, You can position a snare at any angle with these. You do have to match the cable size and support wire size with these.

Tubing is also great as you can use about any size wire and cable combination with these. You can adjust the angle pretty good with these, but not quite as extreme as the whammies. Cold temperatures can make these harder to use as they loose flexibility.

Never been a fan of the double ferrules.

When all else fails, the S/W/M/L/N bend in the support can do it all.

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Originally Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Never been a fan of the double ferrules.
WHY? IMO opinion they work great. Once a animal connects you want it to release quickly from the support. If it fits loose on you support wire just bend the tip up a bit and it will stay until an animal hits the snare and being loose it will come off the support wire easily.

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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6203564
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Originally Posted By: SNIPERBBB
Twist on supports are junk.

Whammies work great, You can position a snare at any angle with these. You do have to match the cable size and support wire size with these.

Tubing is also great as you can use about any size wire and cable combination with these. You can adjust the angle pretty good with these, but not quite as extreme as the whammies. Cold temperatures can make these harder to use as they loose flexibility.

Never been a fan of the double ferrules.

When all else fails, the S/W/M/L/N bend in the support can do it all.


I was with you all the way up to the last sentence. I like my metal wammies to fit very tightly on the #9 wire for support. You can twist the wammy to get the snare to hang 90 degrees to the trail, no matter what angle the ground is.

Re: Snare / cable restraint support question [Re: ~ADC~] #6203569
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I dont do the bends much anymore unless one is giving me fits. I can take a properly made S-bend and can hang it at any angle as needed. Just need the lineman pliers to do it, which you dont need with the whammies.

Re: Snare / cable restraint support question [Re: bctomcat] #6203574
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Originally Posted By: bctomcat
Originally Posted By: SNIPERBBB

Never been a fan of the double ferrules.
WHY? IMO opinion they work great. Once a animal connects you want it to release quickly from the support. If it fits loose on you support wire just bend the tip up a bit and it will stay until an animal hits the snare and being loose it will come off the support wire easily.


I dont want to play with stuff on the line to make work and they dont perform the way I would want them too as they dont give quite as much sensitivity as the other methods(read as they are sloppy)

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And the double ferrule method gets sloppier as you go down to 5/64th or 1/16th cable unless you drop down to the lighter support wires to fit. 11 guage is as small as I go and rarely use that and I havent used 3/32nd snares since 02

Re: Snare / cable restraint support question [Re: Green Bay] #6203702
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When I have my druthers, I’ll choose the twist on universal support collars. Every time.

I’d take them over every single other type that I’ve tried so far, and I’ve tried everything mentioned so far plus electrical tape and bent wire alone. I have zero problems using them, but apparently everyone else on this forum does. The lurkers must like them, or just about every supplier wouldn’t continue to sell them, so there’s someone else out there that likes them. I especially like the fact that I can use one and get a secure fit with everything from 1/16 to 1/8 cable and 9 gauge to 14 gauge wire. Seems ideal if you ask me. I’ve snared mink and hogs with them and everything in between that’s found where I live, and I use all sorts of support wire at times. They’re great.

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Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa



When I have my druthers, I’ll choose the twist on universal support collars. Every time.

I’d take them over every single other type that I’ve tried so far, and I’ve tried everything mentioned so far plus electrical tape and bent wire alone. I have zero problems using them, but apparently everyone else on this forum does. The lurkers must like them, or just about every supplier wouldn’t continue to sell them, so there’s someone else out there that likes them. I especially like the fact that I can use one and get a secure fit with everything from 1/16 to 1/8 cable and 9 gauge to 14 gauge wire. Seems ideal if you ask me. I’ve snared mink and hogs with them and everything in between that’s found where I live, and I use all sorts of support wire at times. They’re great.


You're all alone Aix. LOL

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Twist on whammies In my opinion are pure junk.
I use that plastic tubing for my whammies and they seem to work just fine. But you need to use the right fit between support wire and the Inside Dia of your whammy. The only problem I've had Is when your dealing with freezing weather. Then you can have problems shoving the support wire Into the whammy.

I have been thinking that either rubber gas line material or windshield wiper hose might just make a better whammy. But I haven't gone there yet.


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With all due respect to my young friend from LA., who is a very good snare maker/user, I'll have to agree with The Beav on this one. Only problem with the plastic tubing is stiffness when it's cold. I use #9'support wire tacked to an inverted L shaped piece of half inch rebar to stabilize it, then tie off to something solid with an extension. My solution to rassling with the plastic tubing while saying bad stuff about M. Steck is to sharpen the end of the wire that's gonna be inserted into it before I tack it to the rebar. Maybe when Aix & I meet head to head at the TTFHA Rendezvous in 3 weeks he can convince me of the error in my thinking. He's a very sharp guy, but I'm not at all sure on this one. I'm pretty old & set in my ways, but I'm gonna ask him to explain his preference real slow and simple & see if I can find an advantage to his method.

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I guess I have to ask the question why do guys not like the twist on support collars. I have cables that have had both and I'll us the twist on anytime before the plastic in cold weather. I sharpen the ends of my support wires in order to get them in the plastic supports when it is cold out and now I'm concerned about slipping and running the wire through my thumb. Never had an issue with the twist on supports.

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Originally Posted By: ~ADC~
Originally Posted By: Aix sponsa



When I have my druthers, I’ll choose the twist on universal support collars. Every time.

I’d take them over every single other type that I’ve tried so far, and I’ve tried everything mentioned so far plus electrical tape and bent wire alone. I have zero problems using them, but apparently everyone else on this forum does. The lurkers must like them, or just about every supplier wouldn’t continue to sell them, so there’s someone else out there that likes them. I especially like the fact that I can use one and get a secure fit with everything from 1/16 to 1/8 cable and 9 gauge to 14 gauge wire. Seems ideal if you ask me. I’ve snared mink and hogs with them and everything in between that’s found where I live, and I use all sorts of support wire at times. They’re great.


You're all alone Aix. LOL



Yeah, I figured I would be. Thats how I roll. I get the good spots and the best support collars all to myself wink

Re: Snare / cable restraint support question [Re: etxwoods] #6203866
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Originally Posted By: etxwoods
With all due respect to my young friend from LA., who is a very good snare maker/user, I'll have to agree with The Beav on this one. Only problem with the plastic tubing is stiffness when it's cold. I use #9'support wire tacked to an inverted L shaped piece of half inch rebar to stabilize it, then tie off to something solid with an extension. My solution to rassling with the plastic tubing while saying bad stuff about M. Steck is to sharpen the end of the wire that's gonna be inserted into it before I tack it to the rebar. Maybe when Aix & I meet head to head at the TTFHA Rendezvous in 3 weeks he can convince me of the error in my thinking. He's a very sharp guy, but I'm not at all sure on this one. I'm pretty old & set in my ways, but I'm gonna ask him to explain his preference real slow and simple & see if I can find an advantage to his method.



I’ll gladly show you why I like the twist ons in Junction. Mink, hogs, beaver, coyote, coon, Sasquatch, 3-toed Yetti—-twist on through and through.

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Originally Posted By: Davidl
I guess I have to ask the question why do guys not like the twist on support collars. I have cables that have had both and I'll us the twist on anytime before the plastic in cold weather. I sharpen the ends of my support wires in order to get them in the plastic supports when it is cold out and now I'm concerned about slipping and running the wire through my thumb. Never had an issue with the twist on supports.



That makes two of us. Team Universal Collar

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I'm an electrical tape guy, but I hang snares a little different than most people.


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Double ferrules. My support wire fits exact with no slop. Rubber gas line sometimes is a pain because I find its not rigid enough.

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Originally Posted By: The Beav
. The only problem I've had Is when your dealing with freezing weather. Then you can have problems shoving the support wire Into the whammy.



Plastic tubing is the way to go in my opinion. I carry a lighter in my pocket all the time and in the winter I just heat up the whammy and slide in my 9 gauge wire.

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Originally Posted By: Hutchy
Double ferrules. My support wire fits exact with no slop. Rubber gas line sometimes is a pain because I find its not rigid enough.



So If I'm only using a piece 1" long It's not going to be rigid enough?

I like the idea with the lighter.


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