Snare / cable restraint support question
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I have looked at a couple of different setups that people use - some makers put a piece of tubing on their wire for the support while others use a universal support collar.
Is there a preference between the two? and if so why?
Thanks.
Brian
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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A double ferrule works great also: (click on the picture for larger image)
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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Never been a fan of the double ferrules.
WHY? IMO opinion they work great. Once a animal connects you want it to release quickly from the support. If it fits loose on you support wire just bend the tip up a bit and it will stay until an animal hits the snare and being loose it will come off the support wire easily.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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Twist on supports are junk.
Whammies work great, You can position a snare at any angle with these. You do have to match the cable size and support wire size with these.
Tubing is also great as you can use about any size wire and cable combination with these. You can adjust the angle pretty good with these, but not quite as extreme as the whammies. Cold temperatures can make these harder to use as they loose flexibility.
Never been a fan of the double ferrules.
When all else fails, the S/W/M/L/N bend in the support can do it all. I was with you all the way up to the last sentence. I like my metal wammies to fit very tightly on the #9 wire for support. You can twist the wammy to get the snare to hang 90 degrees to the trail, no matter what angle the ground is.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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Never been a fan of the double ferrules.
WHY? IMO opinion they work great. Once a animal connects you want it to release quickly from the support. If it fits loose on you support wire just bend the tip up a bit and it will stay until an animal hits the snare and being loose it will come off the support wire easily. I dont want to play with stuff on the line to make work and they dont perform the way I would want them too as they dont give quite as much sensitivity as the other methods(read as they are sloppy)
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
[Re: Aix sponsa]
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When I have my druthers, I’ll choose the twist on universal support collars. Every time.
I’d take them over every single other type that I’ve tried so far, and I’ve tried everything mentioned so far plus electrical tape and bent wire alone. I have zero problems using them, but apparently everyone else on this forum does. The lurkers must like them, or just about every supplier wouldn’t continue to sell them, so there’s someone else out there that likes them. I especially like the fact that I can use one and get a secure fit with everything from 1/16 to 1/8 cable and 9 gauge to 14 gauge wire. Seems ideal if you ask me. I’ve snared mink and hogs with them and everything in between that’s found where I live, and I use all sorts of support wire at times. They’re great.
You're all alone Aix. LOL
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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Twist on whammies In my opinion are pure junk. I use that plastic tubing for my whammies and they seem to work just fine. But you need to use the right fit between support wire and the Inside Dia of your whammy. The only problem I've had Is when your dealing with freezing weather. Then you can have problems shoving the support wire Into the whammy.
I have been thinking that either rubber gas line material or windshield wiper hose might just make a better whammy. But I haven't gone there yet.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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When I have my druthers, I’ll choose the twist on universal support collars. Every time.
I’d take them over every single other type that I’ve tried so far, and I’ve tried everything mentioned so far plus electrical tape and bent wire alone. I have zero problems using them, but apparently everyone else on this forum does. The lurkers must like them, or just about every supplier wouldn’t continue to sell them, so there’s someone else out there that likes them. I especially like the fact that I can use one and get a secure fit with everything from 1/16 to 1/8 cable and 9 gauge to 14 gauge wire. Seems ideal if you ask me. I’ve snared mink and hogs with them and everything in between that’s found where I live, and I use all sorts of support wire at times. They’re great.
You're all alone Aix. LOL Yeah, I figured I would be. Thats how I roll. I get the good spots and the best support collars all to myself
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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With all due respect to my young friend from LA., who is a very good snare maker/user, I'll have to agree with The Beav on this one. Only problem with the plastic tubing is stiffness when it's cold. I use #9'support wire tacked to an inverted L shaped piece of half inch rebar to stabilize it, then tie off to something solid with an extension. My solution to rassling with the plastic tubing while saying bad stuff about M. Steck is to sharpen the end of the wire that's gonna be inserted into it before I tack it to the rebar. Maybe when Aix & I meet head to head at the TTFHA Rendezvous in 3 weeks he can convince me of the error in my thinking. He's a very sharp guy, but I'm not at all sure on this one. I'm pretty old & set in my ways, but I'm gonna ask him to explain his preference real slow and simple & see if I can find an advantage to his method. I’ll gladly show you why I like the twist ons in Junction. Mink, hogs, beaver, coyote, coon, Sasquatch, 3-toed Yetti—-twist on through and through.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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I guess I have to ask the question why do guys not like the twist on support collars. I have cables that have had both and I'll us the twist on anytime before the plastic in cold weather. I sharpen the ends of my support wires in order to get them in the plastic supports when it is cold out and now I'm concerned about slipping and running the wire through my thumb. Never had an issue with the twist on supports. That makes two of us. Team Universal Collar
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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I'm an electrical tape guy, but I hang snares a little different than most people.
If it makes a track on this earth , I can catch it.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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. The only problem I've had Is when your dealing with freezing weather. Then you can have problems shoving the support wire Into the whammy.
Plastic tubing is the way to go in my opinion. I carry a lighter in my pocket all the time and in the winter I just heat up the whammy and slide in my 9 gauge wire.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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Double ferrules. My support wire fits exact with no slop. Rubber gas line sometimes is a pain because I find its not rigid enough.
So If I'm only using a piece 1" long It's not going to be rigid enough? I like the idea with the lighter.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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But are we talking about those tapered spring whammies? If so there Is no way you can convince me they are the way to go.
I can do that with a proper sized plastic whammy to. And they don't rust.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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There are none better than properly sized steel wammies... True. I use vinyl tubing. It is not one size fits all but it can fit a range of cable/support wire size combinations. I have never found twist-on spring type 'universal' whammies to be satisfactory.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
[Re: The Beav]
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But are we talking about those tapered spring whammies? If so there Is no way you can convince me they are the way to go.
I can do that with a proper sized plastic whammy to. And they don't rust. What ADC posted are the real whammies. Lot of guys erroneously call the twist on support...things whammies.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
[Re: The Beav]
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But are we talking about those tapered spring whammies? If so there Is no way you can convince me they are the way to go.
I can do that with a proper sized plastic whammy to. And they don't rust. These don't rust either Beav. They are galvanized wire. You're missing out with the tube, even though it is the second best choice IMO. The cone shaped things are pure junk in ALMOST everyone's opinion including mine. They sometimes, barely hold your snare on every sized wire, lol. There's no reason to use various sized cables and wires on my line. I use the same cable and same support wire for every snare I set. Buying the real wammies like I pictured in the correct size is easy and unless they get chewed, can be reused forever, same as good locks, swivels etc... they don't dry out and crack and they don't get harder to put on your supports based on the weather.
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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Aix,do you have a picture of the three toed yeti If I ever snare one, you’ll be the first to know!
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Re: Snare / cable restraint support question
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I prefer the plastic tubing also, I use mainly 14ga wire along with some snare supports with 12ga wire welded to them and the stake system is a lot different than what ADC has pictured but to each there own. If for what ever reason I didn't get a whammy on the snare I'm about to set I just bend a "U" into the wire then crimp it down slightly to hold the cable a trick from my long time friend Keith Gregerson. Stay Safe out there ! Allan
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