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Christ was crucified and witnessed by many
Christ arose from death and was witness by over 500 people,it's history
Look it up.
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I think evolution within a species and evolution into a different species are two different things. One I get, one I don't get

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So how did he do it and can you repeat that experiment ??

Here is another one.
Apparently J turned water into wine. That cant be right , having all them drunks waddling around. Later in evolution, Along came Budweiser and turned Beer into something like water. Now can I have a amen .

Ps. don't get yer knickers in a twist and take me serious. I don't take myself serious, much less any opinion you may have.

I know who created me.

As a believer, this topic and debate always intrigues me.

The word evolution simply means "Change over time".

Creation is nowhere in there, and is not even implied in the definition.

It only becomes monumentally difficult to accept creationism AND evolution when we try to make them the same thing. Which I am convinced they are not.

Evolution can describe vestigial structures, humans getting faster and taller by generation, and wildlife changing (note - not saying into a new species... merely noting it is the same species, but with different characteristics than generations of that same species before) through environmental, climate, or geographical changes.

The fact that species are changing within themselves does not have to be connected to species becoming other species. Goldfish can become different, yet stop way (waaaaay) short of becoming humans. Or giraffes. Or.....

I find it surprising, to say the least, that so many find it impossible to believe that we were created by God (I am one of them), and yet be so skeptical to the idea that he may have known (read:planned) that we would continue to change after the point when he had created us.

After all, we are changing. In multiple ways. There are not multiple species of human (genus homo) currently inhabiting the planet, and yet the evidence that we have been changing over the last few hundreds of years,in much smaller ways than becoming entirely different species, is undeniable.

If we evolved from monkeys , why are there still monkeys ? Who created the monkey ? Or did they evolve from a million year old donkey turd ?

Why no half monkey half humans ? You know , mid evolved . Other than maybe moochelle

Them monkeys would be the ones that we diverged from, lol.

A lot of seekers out there. Some of us don't seek , and are content with not seeking.

One theory would hold that mankind, and modern monkeys, had a common ancestor, from which both diverged. The monkeys didn't get quite as far.

Monkey's might look at us and wonder why our hair mostly fell out and we became obsessed with chasing money rather relaxing in a tree eating bananas. It's a matter of perspective, really.

Although I am a believer and have never subscribed to the evolution theory ( many scientists dont either), the best argument against it that I've ever heard goes like this:

Think about the planet we live on and how it sustains life. Imagine that there were a bunch of dials that controlled things like gravity, oxygen levels, temperatures, sunlight and photosynthesis, the moon, water......the list goes on. Now all those dials are set perfectly, mess with one just a little bit and the planet wouldnt sustain life. Just think about the sun. If it were closer it would be to hot, further away to cold. Science says all that. ....what are the chances that all those dials just happened to evolve perfectly set??

Then once you get past that you have to believe that all the millions of creatures and plant life on earth evolved from all that!! Look around when your out in the woods and think about it.....why havent mice evolved bigger and stronger so they can fight off the myriad of predators that eat them?? That line of thinking could go on and on, with no explanation.

When you think about it like that, the only rational conclusion you can come to is that it really does take more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in creation.

The idea that the earth and everything on it, was created by a big explosion is preposterous.....in order to make that case you would have to admit there was SOMETHING here before the explosion....what was it, how did IT get here, and who made it?? That question is one science hasn't answered and never will.

BTW the fossil record has been proven wrong by more than one scientist.

It's too bad that there are people on both sides of the question who want to make the subjects of creation and science mutually exclusive.

I believe in Divine creation of life and our universe, and I believe science affords some great insights into the mind and ways of God. I don't find science at all threatening.

Unfortunately there are people who call themselves Christians who want to stir up the pot and create a negative view of science, as though science is the enemy, most of these guys are just trying to sell their books. On the other side there are atheists (people who are angry with God) who try to use science to try to prove their positions. I think both of these types are intellectually dishonest.

Harleydparts- In trying to better understand what it is you are asking, could we rephrase the question to say, "Did God make all the natural world or was it something else." You said you are not religious, but do you believe in a higher being? Maybe the questions could even be boiled down to, "Does God exist?" Please correct me if this is not at all what you are questioning.

I find it interesting that all human species from native Africans to Mongolian tribesman to Amazon Indians to Europeans have all got their own religion. They all look down their nose at the religion of a species not their own and call it superstition. Yet in every human species there are a few that don't believe any of it. Those folks really get a lot of grief. The most despised of all is a human who chooses a religion invented by a different species. An Alabama redneck who becomes a Buddhist or a Mongolian herdsman who becomes a Hindu for example.

Spirituality and not a specific religion is where it is at...God is my Co-Pilot.

I think both happened.

That's what Charles Darwin would like us to think. But his idea was nothing new. Aristotle and many ancient Greeks argued for spontaneous generation of life and the evolution of one species into another long before Charles Darwin copied the idea into his "original" scientific thesis.

How about learn your Bible Scuba.
You told Carl to learn his #'s..now its your turn.
You, like most folks think that "wine" in modern Bibles refers to a fermented, alcohol, drink.
Sorry, but the original Hebrew for that Bible verse used the word Tirosh.
Which means un-fermented grape juice...yep, plain old grape juice.
Oinos is what it would have said, had Jesus turned it into wine with alcohol content.

A simple case of not going to Bible study class...the one where the original Greek and Hebrew is taught.

Just another problem of most denominations/churches NOT teaching the truths of the Bible, since we have a nation of folks who can't take it. Good preaching/teaching will indeed "step on our toes", and sadly some folks leave a church because "their feelings got hurt"...yet they were only informed of what the Bible says.

When I go to a Dr, I want the truth.
Same with a church, I want the truth...if folks go to a church and the preaching doesn't "step on their toes" at times, they are not being taught truths of the Bible.

How does anyone know what the original Hebrew said? Or if there even was one. What your interpreting was written several hundred years after the events being described supposedly happened.

Yeah, that's it. They were all having a big wedding celebration and guzzling down plain old grape juice like there was no tomorrow. Then when they ran out, the host was distressed because his guests were digging the plain old grape juice so much. When Jesus made more grape juice the guests were amazed at the host, saying "Wow! most hosts serve the good grape juice first and then bring out the cheap grape juice after everyone is already sloshed full of the good stuff, But not you! You saved the best plain old grape juice for last!"

That makes perfect sense. I know I see it all the time where someone throws a big party and everyone is carrying around a bottle of Welch's.