I would like to second that, but that is up to Paul. Heck, I'd like a cool nickname too lol, but no. Wha Wha Wha...

If you purchase a gun you legally own it.

Yes my 12 year old should be able to purchase some weed or a pint alone. Although I would rather go along so I can get a pint myself.

I never meant to put words in your mouth, just letting you know what you’re saying.

Be careful Catch22! Paul has a sense of humor and he will give you one, whether you like it or not.

When I was 12 I had a gun with me all the time but the difference is my parents trusted me.
I carried a gun in my truck to school every day all winter to as I learned to drive.
Every American has the right to bear arms.

You guys all need to start a thread that says "let's argue with eachother about the 2nd amendment".

I bet the anti's just eat this bickering up

We were arguing with an anti!

Marty thinks only the government should decide what you or your children should have.

Said well in few words Hal, Kudos!

Says the newb lol.

And this is the crux of every "oughta be a law" argument...

"What I think/believe trumps everyone's right to determine the course of their own fate."

Once you start down the path of using religious beliefs and/or personal convictions to erode one right you have opened the door to erode them all.

We started by outlawing drugs and to keep fighting the war on drugs we have progressed to the point that LE can seize "suspicious" amounts of cash... The law of unintended consequences always comes into play.

Mike

Mike, on the last page he said he removed himself from the topic because he lives in his own personal reality... sorry I added personal, don’t want to put words in his mouth....


He said it’s been real.

When you wake in the morn Marty, take that into consideration, yeah?

I saw it. After I made my post I went back and read the last few pages.

You guys were ganging up on him pretty good.

I like Marty. He's a good guy with a good heart. He lives his life by his own code and I respect that.

When everyone realizes that they should have zero control over things that don't effect them this country will be a better place for everyone.

Mike

When the shiznit hits the fan you will wish you had Marty in your camp !

I agree. I like Marty also, but he has a history of wanting to dictate what others should be able to do based on his personal opinions. Ask him about open carry sometime. If he wants the government to control what he does that is fine. I don’t want that for me or anyone else.

And he will be welcomed! So will my 12 year old with her M4.


Marty is right on some things, just not this thing.

Ya know something Rob. We assume kids can't be responsible anymore...

And the biggest reason for that is because we have absolved them of just about all responsibility.

To protect them and others we have robbed them of the chance to grow.

It's no wonder so many kids these days are a mess.

Mike

First... who is we? Lol. Not me. I’m kidding about the we I know what you meant.

You are very correct Mike. A lot of parents don’t allow children responsibility or a chance to fail.

I believe it was Utah that made a law that children are allowed to play outside and that it isn’t illegal. Because people kept calling the police when children were outside playing or going to the library alone.

As the original question was about who is disarming America, people should look at the facts and not the rhetoric.

The fact is one of the greatest gun selling purchasing eras in America just took place under Barack Hussein Obama. Gun companies stopped making affordable guns, and inflated guns were instead offered to gouge the public, as was the price increase on ammo when Mr. Obama in government contracts monopolized ammunition manufacture.
If you examine this, Obama talked and his European conglomerates who control the majority of America's gun industry, with the remainder hedge fund speculators, with Ruger and Savage taking the remainder.
After Donald Trump was elected, gun sales dropped, but one word from Mr. Trump on gun bans and the guns flew off the shelves again, and the issue was dropped. There seems to be a direct correlation between politics and conglomerates manipulating the public, because there is.
Except for a few enclaves, gun ownership in ease of access is expanding. There were over 250 million firearms sold in America since 2000. Those guns have joined hundreds of millions of others. Statistics indicate that since 1970, the gun households have dropped from 50% to 34%, but the firearms remain.
Legal or illegal, obtaining guns in America or London, Berlin or Paris is simple as the terrorists have proven. The talk of gun banning is a wedge, just as aborticide, Obamacare, homosexuality or drug use. If you examine the background of this, all of these issues are worth billions of dollars.
Do you realize that the oil companies fund environmentalists, for the very purpose of playing the ruse of oil shortages to drive up prices? The same rent a mobs appear as Parker Dohzier exposed almost 40 years ago at all these protests and are paid for by the same corporations.
Did you know that diamonds are not rare, but as common as coal? DeBeers of Africa figured out a marketing strategy after Queen Victoria gave the Afrikaaners freedom, and then killed them after diamonds were discovered there, to use American Hollywood to create the diamond illusion, in this grand monopoly, and in order to keep it, the fiction of the Blood Diamonds was produced, and now all diamonds have serial numbers to control the flow and keep prices inflated.
Americans have not been deprived of guns. They have instead been deprived of quality affordable firearms to compete with the European monopoly which controls American firearms manufacture using Turkish manufacture. What Americans have been deprived of in this monopoly is Russian firearms. The Saiga was built for the American market, but it undercut Ruger and the AR market by 200 to 400 dollars. That is why Saiga was banned by Obama as it was competing with the monopoly.

John Olin, who saved Winchester, which was part of the American Government to promote firearms ownership, built the 94 Winchester for 150 dollars for years. Now that the Europeans own Winchester those firearms are 1200 dollars and that is after historic advances in gun manufacture.
Maybe the questions should be in who is creating a monopoly to drive up gun prices, while the American wildlife services raise predators and drive up license costs, to keep a new generation from experiencing the outdoors. Trapping historically is what poor people did, burning cheap gasoline, driving used 500 dollar cars, using cheap traps made money for the things that dreams were made of from bicycles to first guns. Inflation has ruined that reality and it is by design.

We are told by the NRA talking points that there is gun grabbing and yet all of this occurred with the NRA taking our money, and moving into gun insurance to make more money. No one ever mentions any of the above realities. Perhaps those realities should be the ones discussed.

This "newb" gets tired of having to sift through the same argument by the same few members on every thread concerning our gun rights. The thread started good and once again back to this. It's distracting people from a better dialogue.

Can never beat the Left if we always fight each other. That will be the demise of the Right. We are always fighting amongst ourselves