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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: danny clifton] #6232772
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
people I'm scared of don't care if they can legally carry or not. they carry anyway


Your scared?

laugh

Obviously anyone can break any law....but we still need laws, right?

Or should we do away with all laws because anyone can break them at any time....what good are they anyway?


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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: danny clifton] #6232782
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Sure we need laws, where there is an actual victim. Victimless crimes and needless regulations are strangling this country. It has been so for so long now, that many people don't even realize it is happening.

Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: FlyinFinn] #6232788
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
Sure we need laws, where there is an actual victim. Victimless crimes and needless regulations are strangling this country. It has been so for so long now, that many people don't even realize it is happening.


Yup. And some of the laws that have victims have too harsh of a punishment so the perpetrator becomes a victim of the justice system.


Who is John Galt?

You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.

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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: danny clifton] #6232794
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All gun laws are victimless laws. The act of the person who uses a gun to accost someone or shoot them is already illegal, as it should be. There is then a victim. Where is the victim when a 12 year old want to buy a gun? I mean what a rediculous situation to converse about anyway. So a 12 year old walks into a gun store and demands to buy a weapon. Well, the gun store isn't obligated to sell to a 12 year old, or anyone else. But, no no no. We need government involved in the transaction, to make us safer.

Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: FlyinFinn] #6232803
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
All gun laws are victimless laws. The act of the person who uses a gun to accost someone or shoot them is already illegal, as it should be. There is then a victim. Where is the victim when a 12 year old want to buy a gun? I mean what a rediculous situation to converse about anyway. So a 12 year old walks into a gun store and demands to buy a weapon. Well, the gun store isn't obligated to sell to a 12 year old, or anyone else. But, no no no. We need government involved in the transaction, to make us safer.


He wants the government to take care of him and control everything he doesn’t agree with


Who is John Galt?

You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.

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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: danny clifton] #6232809
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Yes Marty I've been scared a time or two.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: danny clifton] #6232810
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I take care of myself just fine.

I do not agree that anyone who is not incarcerated should be able to legally own a firearm and I gave some examples of that.

I also do not think a 12 year old should be able to go to any street corner and buy a firearm legally.

Therefore we need some type of laws to govern those type of things.

Simple.


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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: danny clifton] #6232815
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
Yes Marty I've been scared a time or two.


Its exhilarating.....been there myself.


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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: danny clifton] #6232819
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To make us safer, yes, Marty along with a slew of others believe this, it's a falsehood. My great uncles, grandparents, uncles served in war time. Had one uncle who army crawled in his own cut corn field, naked at 3 in the morning thinking he was in Korea. Didn't hurt anyone and didn't leave his property. Never was a real threat. But had he been, there are laws already in place back then and now. Like I have said, true FREEDOM scares some people. Quit being a bunch of Nancy boys and let freedom ring.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: Marty] #6232825
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Originally Posted By: Marty
I take care of myself just fine.

I do not agree that anyone who is not incarcerated should be able to legally own a firearm and I gave some examples of that.

I also do not think a 12 year old should be able to go to any street corner and buy a firearm legally.

Therefore we need some type of laws to govern those type of things.

Simple.

Then you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty, you have a lot of company...


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: Marty] #6232829
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Originally Posted By: Marty
I take care of myself just fine.

I do not agree that anyone who is not incarcerated should be able to legally own a firearm and I gave some examples of that.

I also do not think a 12 year old should be able to go to any street corner and buy a firearm legally.

Therefore we need some type of laws to govern those type of things.

Simple.


Well, you aren’t incarcerated, I’m sure someone out there doesn’t think you should be able to legally own a firearm, should we accept their opinion?

Then don’t allow your 12 year old to own one, or go to a street corner to buy one. Stay away from what my 12 year old does.

No we don’t need laws to govern those types of things.

Simple!


Who is John Galt?

You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.

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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: DelawareRob] #6232832
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Originally Posted By: DelawareRob
Originally Posted By: Marty
I take care of myself just fine.

I do not agree that anyone who is not incarcerated should be able to legally own a firearm and I gave some examples of that.

I also do not think a 12 year old should be able to go to any street corner and buy a firearm legally.

Therefore we need some type of laws to govern those type of things.

Simple.


Well, you aren’t incarcerated, I’m sure someone out there doesn’t think you should be able to legally own a firearm, should we accept their opinion?

Then don’t allow your 12 year old to own one, or go to a street corner to buy one. Stay away from what my 12 year old does.

No we don’t need laws to govern those types of things.

Simple!

Yes, very simple!


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: Catch22] #6232838
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Originally Posted By: Catch22
Then you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty, you have a lot of company...


That's far from the truth.

The truth is that due to the constitution there will always be people who could pose a threat to society that are not incarcerated. Therefore to say that anyone who is not incarcerated should be able to legally possess a firearm is a pipe dream. That's just the way it is.

Some combat vet that has severe ptsd and may pose a threat is better off being free and getting help while unable to legally possess a firearm than being locked up to stew on his ptsd for life. Just one example.

Your never going to get absolute zero gun laws.....its a fantasy.

But some here want to alienate people who think that what we have for federal laws now is workable. And unless someone says the fantasy of absolute zero gun laws is what they are for then then are for gun control and they are bad anti 2nd people.

That's just not true if you accept the real world.


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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: danny clifton] #6232840
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Dreamer lol...


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: Catch22] #6232844
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Originally Posted By: Catch22
Dreamer lol...


He is a hope and dream kind of guy...


Who is John Galt?

You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.

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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: danny clifton] #6232845
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As long as we're crystal clear that you are a gun control advocate, you can make believe in any version of relaity you like.

Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: DelawareRob] #6232848
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Originally Posted By: DelawareRob

Well, you aren’t incarcerated, I’m sure someone out there doesn’t think you should be able to legally own a firearm, should we accept their opinion?

Then don’t allow your 12 year old to own one, or go to a street corner to buy one. Stay away from what my 12 year old does.

No we don’t need laws to govern those types of things.

Simple!


First of all I never said 'own' a gun. I said go to the store or street corner alone and legally purchase a firearm.

Should your 12 year old be able to go to the store alone and legally buy some weed or a pint?

You really like to blow things out of context and put words in my mouth.


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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: FlyinFinn] #6232849
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Originally Posted By: FlyinFinn
As long as we're crystal clear that you are a gun control advocate, you can make believe in any version of relaity you like.


Can we get a vote to change his signature under his name from trapper to gun control advocate?


Who is John Galt?

You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.

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Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: DelawareRob] #6232850
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Originally Posted By: DelawareRob
Originally Posted By: Catch22
Dreamer lol...


He is a hope and dream kind of guy...

Yep, and he can't even see it in his own post lol.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Disrming America. Who is behind it??????????? [Re: DelawareRob] #6232851
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Originally Posted By: DelawareRob
Originally Posted By: Catch22
Dreamer lol...


He is a hope and dream kind of guy...


Actually I live in reality.

Read it slow and try to understand.

I have removed myself from this topic. Its been real.


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