Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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I agree jerry. time to end socialism. no welfare. for anybody.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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It's like a dog with a big litter sucking then it depends what end of the teat your on after a while! LOL
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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This brings up another point I have been thinking about. Doctor licensing and the oath they take to treat anyone and everyone regardless of the ability or notion to pay the bill. So, because of their ethical conviction, the cost of the deadbeats is spread out to others. As far as I know, this is a fact. So, why do we as a government mandate the doctors obtain licensing, and demand that they have this oath of ethics? I could care less about the doctors ethics. I would like to pay for the services rendered to me, and if his ethics demand that be treat others for free, the charity can come from his.own heart and wallet. You will be stabilized and then be moved to a welfare (State run or contracted hospital) never seen dead bodies outside of a hospital in all my years! LOL Oh the drama the mind can create! The one I dealt with last night was given outstanding treatment and better care then I have ever received with no cost spared that including a expense transfer for better free care that they will never ever pay for.
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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Looks a little different from this side of the teat!
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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your side of the teat is you earn your money. le I don't mind paying taxes for
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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your side of the teat is you earn your money. le I don't mind paying taxes for Life would be good if you never had to leave the porch and deal with life everyday and getting paid to do that would be even better! LOL People are a strange critter for sure. Amazing how the money spent on the "war on drugs" is all wasted but the that spent on the ones using drugs is somehow a investment the future??? Just don't see it, I guess offering help is one thing enabling a human is another thing but where do you draw the line is the question, heck if I know.
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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I don't think we ought to spend money on addicts either. They will either clean up or die. I really seriously doubt there is anything anyone can do for them. They have to decide for themselves. Drugs were made illegal because using causes misery. There is no denying that. I think its time to call the experiment for criminalizing them a failure though and move on.
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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It's the end of the world as we know it! Not the end but the next 10 years will be interesting when the drug epidemic meets the safe space crowd I cannot imagine the drain on social services and what the environment it will create when the systems are overwhelmed, I can see many folks walking away from careers to keep their own sanity when the hopelessness comes about!
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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FlynFinn I'm no doctor, but I play one on T.V:) Seriously, though, I speak from personal experience. My own step father was a meth addict and a scum bag his whole life. In and out of prison, terrorizing our family and beating the snot out of my mother anytime he was out. Nobody ever made him stick a needle in his arm, he chose it over us. I understand the reason people say it's a disease, the basic idea is that the drug changes the thought patterns of the brain. But nobody ever made my step father choose to stick a needle in his arm, the first time he ever did it, he wasn't addicted. He made that choice all on his own. The last time he was in prison, he was in for seven years. He was clean and free of addiction when he got out, but what did he do? He went right down to his dealer and stuck a needle in his arm.
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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Just another sanctuary stance from the powers above the Cops would like nothing more then to be allowed to do their jobs, I doubt they use on the spot anyways it's kind of like a condom handout here ya go but you gotta go to use it! LOL
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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What I don't understand about those " Safe injection sites", is that they have people go there to shoot up their Heroin, and they have the POLICE there to keep a watch over things. Well, wouldn't the possession of those drugs be enough to justify an arrest ? Why can't they make the addicts cough up their Drug Dealer ? On the one hand , the Police are supposed to enforce the law, and on the other hand, the Police stand outside those Safe Injection Sites while the Addicts are getting high on illegal drugs ?? How does that make any sense ? Liberals 'solutions' are not supposed to make common sense..
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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I don't think we ought to spend money on addicts either. They will either clean up or die. I really seriously doubt there is anything anyone can do for them. They have to decide for themselves. Drugs were made illegal because using causes misery. There is no denying that. I think its time to call the experiment for criminalizing them a failure though and move on. Really, Danny?
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Re: Free needles are you kidding me?
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There is so much going on in this post I don't know where to start. But guess I will start with lawdog, since his posts caught my attention the most. I think there would be fewer victims if all dope were legal again. By criminalizing it we have made the problems criminalization was supposed to alleviate worse. Not the least of which is organized, violent street gangs that exist solely to distribute drugs.
Addiction has NOT been reduced and the cost to families of dope fiends as well as every other tax payer are greater.
There will never be any progress made on harmful recreational drugs because the profit is to great. Illegal sales and distribution of narcotics is the last true capitalism and profits are incredibly lucrative. Rich get richer and addicts go to prison. Of course not until they get so desperate they end up arrested. Prison gets them healthy so when they are released they can provide the real outlaws with income for a few years again. The only problem with that is they are all happy and care free but when they no longer have control it's up to everyone else to put then back together and maybe a small percentage see the light and the majority keep destroying everything in their path if it's theirs or not to destroy! Sit down and figure what it cost to raise a child that is raised on aid his whole life, the cost of juvenile treatment for drugs or other behaviors, then adult incarceration all the time never being productive to society ever in that life. I don't have the answers but this is what I see everyday! It sounds as if lawdog is viewing this situation only through Cop eyes....or more specifically, regional cop eyes. I'd be curious to see the % of addicts that were "raised on aid his whole life" versus those that never received a drop of aid. If we were talking crack cocaine, he'd likely be correct, but this post was about heroin, and I'd bet that number would be less than 25%. Likely far less. Heroin is not a ghetto drug. But it seems most of Lawdog's experience is with ghetto folks. The thing that gets me on these needle handouts is you can't buy a syringe to kill a skunk but they will give them to you if your an addict?
This ranks right up there with the idea that giving a person with behavioral issues the responsibility of taking their own meds is just like giving out needles to people already making poor choices seems short lived in reality! If they feel the need and they are offered a dirty needle are they really going to say no thanks I have a clean one in the next room. So you think a person suffering from depression due to a loss of a loved one, or a soldier that just got back from the sandbox.... should have no control over their own lives and the medications prescribed to them? Does volunteering your life to your country come with an attached caveat that once you've served your duty you must acquiesce to whatever cops in SD feel is best for you? YES.... any addict I ever knew would have RAN to the next room for a clean needle. Most addicts are NOT morons.... I expect most addicts are smarter than you.... judging solely from your posts tonight. Instead of working to decouple healthcare and it's associated 'society costs' from government, it is better to spend billions of taxpayer money on throwing them in prison AND pay for the associated health cost. Interesting policy. It hasn't worked for the last 50 years, but maybe this will be the year. Yep spending billions on those that will never pay a dime and care less is somehow not (decoupling health care) in any way? really Pretty sure the people paying the healthcare costs and the taxes sure can feel the sting! Any uninsured person can walk in a hospital and get what they need but a lot of people with coverage can't do the same for the high cost of deductibles. Tell me how well it's turning out for everyone but the abusers. LOL just that one dimensional thinking again buddy! LOL Well, I paid weekly into a health insurance plan I never once used for nearly 20 years. Who's healthcare was I paying for... because it wasn't mine! Care to tell me why a person with health care can not be treated at a hospital????? 3 months ago I was in one, and it was 3 days before they even asked me if I had insurance..... I didn't have health care... and now have reasonable bills. But if I had had healthcare... I'd (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) sure hope they'd have stabilized me in the 3 days it took to find out whether or not I did.
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