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NRA + ACLU v. Coumo #6312440
08/28/18 02:24 PM
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From the WSJ.


By James Freeman
Aug. 27, 2018 3:11 p.m. ET

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has earned a new opponent in his assault on liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights. Better late than never, the American Civil Liberties Union is standing up against Mr. Cuomo’s abuse of the National Rifle Association. The happy result could be not just expanded liberty in New York but safer financial institutions as well.

All year long, Mr. Cuomo has been doing whatever he thinks he needs to do to ensure that actress Cynthia Nixon doesn’t threaten his lock on the Democratic nomination and his expected November re-election. On Wednesday, Ms. Nixon and Mr. Cuomo will meet in their one and only debate before September’s Democratic primary. The New York Daily News reports: “Sources close to her and other political observers believe she will come in armed with a number of one-liners aimed at the governor in hopes of getting the notoriously prickly Cuomo off his game.”

Mr. Cuomo has been much worse than prickly to gun owners and those who wish to do business with them. Of course the NRA is the perfect foil for a northeastern politician looking to fend off a challenge from the “progressive” left. But Mr. Cuomo’s infringement of fundamental rights threatens all New Yorkers with progressively greater harm. And it could haunt Empire State citizens long after he leaves office.

In May this column described how Mr. Cuomo was using the state’s financial regulatory agency to intimidate insurance companies, banks and other firms into turning down business with the NRA. The gun-rights group sued Mr. Cuomo after he ordered the state’s Department of Financial Services to tell the firms it oversees “to review any relationships they may have with the National Rifle Association and other similar organizations. Upon this review, the companies are encouraged to consider whether such ties harm their corporate reputations and jeopardize public safety.”

The same day as Mr. Cuomo’s announcement, New York’s chief financial regulator Maria Vullo sent out a bulletin urging companies to manage their “reputational risks” related to organizations like the NRA. She claimed that “in this area society, as a whole, has a responsibility to act and is no longer willing to stand by and wait and witness more tragedies caused by gun violence, but instead is demanding change now.” Ms. Vullo and her agency have also been sued by the NRA.

In a single stroke, Mr. Cuomo was not just attacking cherished rights described in the Constitution’s first two amendments; he was simultaneously corrupting financial regulation. Theoretically, Ms. Vullo’s job is to ensure the soundness of the firms under her supervision, and to protect customers against fraud—not to enforce a political agenda and deem any business the governor dislikes a “reputational risk.” The tenth anniversary of the 2008 panic, which inspired the creation of Ms. Vullo’s agency, is a reminder of the consequences when regulators fail to focus on their core missions.

The Cuomo/Vullo threat to personal liberty is even more grave. The good news is that the Second Amendment crowd isn’t the only group that still believes in the First Amendment. In an amicus brief filed Friday in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of New York, the ACLU writes on the issues raised by the Vullo bulletin:

The April 2018 “Guidance[s]on Risk Management Relating to the NRA and Similar Gun Promotion Organizations,” indisputably targeted the NRA and similar groups based on their “gun promotion” advocacy. It is important to note that, however controversial it may be, “gun promotion” is core political speech, entitled to the same constitutional protection as speech advocating for reproductive rights, marijuana legalization, or financial deregulation.

The ACLU concludes that because the NRA “has plausibly alleged that Defendants threatened adverse action against banks and insurers associated with the NRA, and that Defendants’ actions were motivated by hostility to the NRA’s political advocacy,” the court should deny New York’s motion to dismiss the NRA lawsuit.

In a blog post, the ACLU elaborates on the events following Ms Vullo’s “guidance” to the financial industry:

Two weeks later, the department announced consent decrees with two insurers, imposing millions of dollars in fines and barring them from selling consumer insurance products that are endorsed by the NRA. Days later, the NRA says that its corporate insurance carrier severed ties and said it would not provide the NRA with insurance at any price.

The NRA says that it has since had serious difficulty replacing its corporate insurance because nearly every potential replacement was afraid of being investigated by the state. The NRA also says that numerous banks have withdrawn bids to provide basic financial services because the April letters from the state indicated that any association with the NRA could expose them to regulatory retaliation.

The ACLU fortunately grasps the implications of New York’s assault on gun groups:

If Cuomo can do this to the NRA, then conservative governors could have their financial regulators threaten banks and financial institutions that do business with any other group whose political views the governor opposes. The First Amendment bars state officials from using their regulatory power to penalize groups merely because they promote disapproved ideas.

Is it any surprise that the governor who doesn’t understand America’s greatness also doesn’t understand American liberty?


https://www.wsj.com/articles/look-whos-supporting-the-nra-against-cuomo-1535397103


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Re: NRA + ACLU v. Coumo [Re: white17] #6312447
08/28/18 02:33 PM
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Interesting.

And proof that politics makes strange bedfellows.


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Re: NRA + ACLU v. Coumo [Re: white17] #6312448
08/28/18 02:34 PM
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Yes, but aren't we supposed to hate the ACLU? Or only when we disagree with them?


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Re: NRA + ACLU v. Coumo [Re: white17] #6312452
08/28/18 02:50 PM
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They've,the ACLU, have had some policy decisions lately that are interesting. They do toss us a bone every other blue moon.

Re: NRA + ACLU v. Coumo [Re: white17] #6312454
08/28/18 02:52 PM
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ACLU doesn't usually get involved when conservatives come under fire, it's about time.

Re: NRA + ACLU v. Coumo [Re: white17] #6312457
08/28/18 02:56 PM
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Interesting !

Re: NRA + ACLU v. Coumo [Re: white17] #6312464
08/28/18 03:04 PM
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The ACLU is still the PETA for the legal world! LOL


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