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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
[Re: PAskinner]
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09/10/18 03:27 PM
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henpecked1
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How many ways can you make a Whopper?
This claim was later expanded to There are 221,184 possible ways for a customer to order a Whopper sandwich. That's bread meat lettuce, onion, tomato, ketchup, mustard, pickle, mayo and cheese. Just look at Taco bell how many way can yo u combine that stuff.
The same goes for lure makers, let the buyer beware. I buy mine and make very few, but a trapper knows what works as its reflected in his catch. The young guys of yesterday are the more experienced today, if they are still in business they must had made something good cause no one can operate at a lost for an extended period.
How many ways can you combine beaver castor, different predator glands and essential oils oils. Their are some very good lure makers out there, stick with what works and test a new one each year.
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
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09/10/18 03:38 PM
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Cedar Hacker
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pcr2,
The more they trap, the more experience they have, and maybe, just maybe... that experience goes into the bottle they sell me! I had a mentor that told me, " You can go out there and get twenty years of experience in two years, or you can stay out there twenty years and get two years of experience. It is up to you. ". Just saying.
Sit on your horse on top of a ridge, look out across the country and tell me there is no God.
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
[Re: Cedar Hacker]
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09/10/18 03:49 PM
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pcr2,
The more they trap, the more experience they have, and maybe, just maybe... that experience goes into the bottle they sell me! I had a mentor that told me, " You can go out there and get twenty years of experience in two years, or you can stay out there twenty years and get two years of experience. It is up to you. ". Just saying. Your mentor was being generous, the usual quip is, "some guys have 20 years of experience, and some experience the same year 20 times"
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
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09/10/18 06:01 PM
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Drifter
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The older folks grew up in a time when your word was your bond and you took the time to help your neighbor when they needed it without having to ask. Those times have become history and some scoffed at those that would help others. Now it seems as a society we have become more self centered and more entitled. I remember when folks would be glad for another to succeed in life instead of jealous.
Some individuals use statistics as a drunk man uses lamp-posts — for support rather than for illumination.
Andrew Lang (1844-1912) Scottish poet, novelist and literary critic
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
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09/10/18 06:28 PM
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pcr2, I'm crazy in that I prefer a lure maker to be a trapper  The more they trap, the more experience they have, and maybe, just maybe... that experience goes into the bottle they sell me! I fail to see the connection. Why would it matter? Just kidding. Yes it does seem things have changed. The lure makers, etc seem to have changed since the big boom years. Grawe, O'gorman, Milligan, Israelson & more with a mountain of fur or a full tailgate & caption something like "taken before lunch & afternoon still to go." Nothing wrong with stating the facts. Some interesting sales pitches have been offered (like aforementioned Hawbaker claim).. Dailey claimed one of his lures had "taken more foxes than any other lure ever made." How did he know that? The numbers and hard work of success should be acknowledged with the caveat of buyer beware as with any sales situation. As has been noted by many before me: as long as the fur was taken by whom and how claimed, then congratulations.. Some of those pics of days ago could better be termed "investment." O.L. Butcher said many years ago "You can only skin an animal once, but you can skin a trapper many times."
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
[Re: Larry Baer]
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09/10/18 06:59 PM
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ringtailtrapper
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I'm going to throw a little more gas on this and mention my friend Craig O'Gorman. The thing that got me to buy his ''Legendary Oil Slick'' was his full page ad in the Trapper in the 80's. It made me laugh. Not because it was funny but because it claimed to be a lure that would ''suck those mink and coon into your pocket sets like a vacuum cleaner." Well it was true! That's the difference. More power to you guys living the dream.
I buy your lures Mark and your ads are a good description of what they do. Ads these days are not as much fun as they used to be. I think you need a new ad. I can see it now. All these coyotes caught on one bottle of Coyote Frenzy. With a picture of a pile of coyotes.
Why tear people down for their success? We are being taught to do it ever day on the 24 hr news channels... a cucumber is going to become a pickle if you leave it in the juice long enough. Sometimes I think people are just different today. Growing up we used to stop on the road and visit with the neighbor or pull into their barn lot and visit. Now it's hurry hurry and give me the best deal that's better than my neighbor got and then show off to the neighbor and run him down. Maybe it's just me but I don't care. I've started working with some kids to show them how respect their elders and be good to their parents, ect. We need to get back to the things that really matter most. LOL, Larry your good people mister, but we always knew that. 
For Sale, Quality Racing Possums
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
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09/10/18 07:59 PM
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Yes our society has changed very fast and drastically. For both the exceptional good and the extreme bad. I do the best I can to guide my family and business by the old fashion values I value. I'm always looking for the new guy that has an innovative lure or trapping product, and very quick to congratulate the creativity of the truly new idea. There was a time that Herb & Asa Lenon, Stanley Hawbaker and Mark June and many others were new guys, if folks did not give them a try we would not be were we are today because of their innovations.
Nice read guys.
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
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09/10/18 08:51 PM
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Liberals are definitely largely responsible for the backlash against successful folks. It does not matter what the occupation is, if your successful, you must have screwed somebody over. All you have to do is point to President Obama's "you didn't build that speech" where he went after successful people. I believe it is a result of the PC culture we live in now. I agree. Success is punished in this country. Pay your fair share (whatever that means). The more you make the more they take. Eventually when the socialist and the communists take over, all of the successful people will stop providing jobs and will retreat to the mountains like in atlas shrugged. Long live capitalism!
Be a mentor
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
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09/10/18 08:56 PM
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Larry, You get what I'm talking about in my post. Judging from some responses, the theme is floating past some. Good post!
The theme is that "why is it viewed as a negative if a trapper builds a successful lure biz and they promote the fact that they are trappers who own a lure biz. Why is there skepticism if the person is in biz for quite a while and is "selling stuff"?"
Did you feelings get hurt due to selling lures or did somebody call you out for selling your own traps with tags for $50/apiece as "mementos"!?!? Some folks know how to draw drama and attention to themselves!!
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
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09/10/18 08:59 PM
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To add to the original intent. I prefer to buy from established lure producers, who have proven and tested products. I also like to try a few start up guys who have only been selling locally. Usually guys who have tested products but aren’t on the national scene. I don’t usually trust the folks who trap one season and then sell a miracle cure all lure or bait. But, I hope they test and tweet their product and eventually have a product to market.
I have considered grinding my own fox glands and adding some lure making ingredients, I doubt it would work, but it would be fun to try. I would never attempt to sell it to anyone and say that it will attract fox. Even if I knew it would.
Now I want to start making my own lure and bait! But it is easier to click the button and spend $20 on a known lure.
Be a mentor
You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.
Semper Paratus
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
[Re: DelawareRob]
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09/10/18 09:01 PM
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Liberals are definitely largely responsible for the backlash against successful folks. It does not matter what the occupation is, if your successful, you must have screwed somebody over. All you have to do is point to President Obama's "you didn't build that speech" where he went after successful people. I believe it is a result of the PC culture we live in now. I agree. Success is punished in this country. Pay your fair share (whatever that means). The more you make the more they take. Eventually when the socialist and the communists take over, all of the successful people will stop providing jobs and will retreat to the mountains like in atlas shrugged. Long live capitalism! And as trappers, we should be the last, the very last individuals, to buy into the thinking that the individual is to be jeered not cheered if they "built that". After all, we are an industry built by robust, talented, hard working, get-er-done folk. I remember growing up when my papa would instruct me over and over not to " be like them". Papa meant "them" to be the "haters".
Last edited by Mark June; 09/10/18 09:01 PM.
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
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09/10/18 09:13 PM
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How many ways can you make a Whopper?
This claim was later expanded to There are 221,184 possible ways for a customer to order a Whopper sandwich. That's bread meat lettuce, onion, tomato, ketchup, mustard, pickle, mayo and cheese. Just look at Taco bell how many way can yo u combine that stuff.
The same goes for lure makers, let the buyer beware. I buy mine and make very few, but a trapper knows what works as its reflected in his catch. The young guys of yesterday are the more experienced today, if they are still in business they must had made something good cause no one can operate at a lost for an extended period.
How many ways can you combine beaver castor, different predator glands and essential oils oils. Their are some very good lure makers out there, stick with what works and test a new one each year.
Very well said henpecked1,...many will learn from this post!..thank you
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
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09/10/18 09:13 PM
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Yes, “we” may be the last of the robust, talented, hard working, get-er-done folk. I encourage them to do the work if they want to be successful. It Should be celebrated when someone is successful and had a winning product or service.
Be a mentor
You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.
Semper Paratus
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Re: Lure makers - has our society changed?
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09/10/18 10:32 PM
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We have had PC pounded into our heads for many years we have been taught that a problem can be found with anything if we look hard enough. In the past we admired the guy that would step it up and be successful but today it's the poor guy that's not making the effort that is somehow a victim now!
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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