Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: Nd native]
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09/22/18 11:01 PM
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Law Dog
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Look at a prime chart as each furbearer is NOT the same, badgers are way at the end of the scale each critter has it's own "range of prime" not all are the same or do they just start on a certain date if that were true we would have a date to go by then you would think! Found this as a example~
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
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09/22/18 11:28 PM
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Paul Dobbins
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In 1987 I set some fox traps on my line near North Pole, AK. It was opening day of trapping season, which was somewhere around the first or tenth of November. I don't recall. Anyway, Halloween night it got down to 10 and up to 20 degrees. On the 1st of November, it got down to 4 and up to 25 degrees. I caught a cross fox that first night and it was as blue as blue could be. I was amazed that it could be that blue when it was that cold. Dad then told me that it was the amount of daylight that was the most governing factor in fur priming. Here's that fox.
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
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09/22/18 11:32 PM
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Law Dog
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Me and Abby took a shower tonight and when wet her skin was very white she has a thick pelt now but she was losing some short hairs not sure if that was shedding or not she lost her longer fur about 4-5 weeks ago. Before shower.
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: Nd native]
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09/23/18 05:19 AM
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Are primes fur for the yr coincides with are shortest days witch here is around 10.5 too 11 hrs. That's looking at daylight charts and notes on when I've caught the prime of the prime, it's a short window for sure but like lawdog said different critters prime different times,so there's someing to target most all season. That is most not all. I'm a believer that it's day length not temp that primes fur. It changes leaves, makes Turkey's breed,song birds fly north or south, day length and moon phase does more than most people realize. Some times it stays in the 70s till Christmas here but you still catch white leather thick furred coon and mink, and no matter how cold it get in late Jan and Feb my fur is going the other way. That's wy when the question is ask when is your coon the primest ever body's answer dates are on either side of the winter solstice "shortest day of the yr" from Manie to Gorgia. I may be wrong but it's the only pattern I've been able to see! Colt
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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09/23/18 09:46 AM
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In 1987 I set some fox traps on my line near North Pole, AK. It was opening day of trapping season, which was somewhere around the first or tenth of November. I don't recall. Anyway, Halloween night it got down to 10 and up to 20 degrees. On the 1st of November, it got down to 4 and up to 25 degrees. I caught a cross fox that first night and it was as blue as blue could be. I was amazed that it could be that blue when it was that cold. Dad then told me that it was the amount of daylight that was the most governing factor in fur priming. Here's that fox. This is exactly the type of example I was looking for.
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: Steven 49er]
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09/23/18 01:12 PM
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Calvin
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Early cold isnt going to do anything to change the course. It's daylight. If anything effects that rate this year is will be from the smoke of the fires out west darkening the days.
Calvin, you have to remember I can start a week or two earlier than you on coon if I was so inclined. You can start a week or two earlier than a guy 200 miles south of you. True, Steven. For some reason my mind computed ND Native with South Dakota. Dumb. Another good point Rat Masterson....Plenty of seasons, there is very limited late Nov....or even mid Nov coon trapping here. However, in todays fur world, lets try not to get a bunch of crap coon fur into the pipeline. It doesn't do us any good. I remember years past, when we didn't have a coon season, Some local screwball went out and trapped a ton of coon in Sept. Sometimes we trappers are great at shooting ourselves in both feet. Even in last years market, and cold, I took a measly few dozen coon for fun in mid November. They were very NICE....and actually paid. I might not do that every year if I didn't have rats to deal with, but it was worth the wait...and all those coon sold well. Just an observation.
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
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09/23/18 04:18 PM
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GritGuy
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Prime can actually mean two things to most who are familiar with the term.
Prime fur is denoted as full under fur, guard hairs all not harmed. No rubs, freeze downs or slips from bites or wounds.
Prime pelt is usually denoted as no blue showing on the flesh side of the leather, meaning all fur growth has been finished. Your short window is now in session, as it goes the other way the fur loosen's up for shedding and off it comes, again activated by light time amount.
So we should be careful when talking about prime in the course of description to it's use, it can get confusing pretty fast for those trying to understand the context in which it's used.
Sorry if my opinions or replies offend you, they are not meant to !
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