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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: Nd native]
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09/23/18 05:22 PM
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mink99
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My ranch mink and fox are always prime the same time and date every year. Doesn't matter if the weather is warmer or colder in the fall.
We use melatonin implants on some and will begin pelting October 10 this year and those mink will also be fully prime.
ITA, NTA, FTA
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: Nd native]
#6331688
09/23/18 08:46 PM
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I said it was a stretch LOL, guess the hair is not evolutionary either, if this were the case why do Arctic Fox have the thickest fur in the world ?
Habitat, diet, health all play into the fur, however the gene comes from where ?
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: GritGuy]
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09/23/18 10:23 PM
09/23/18 10:23 PM
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The main reasons we had a lot of fur farms and ranches in WI and many along Lake Michigan were that we had a very good supply of dead stock to feed the animals, cows, calves and horses.
There was cooler weather which helped with appetite and not so hot when the young are born. When and if the female feels stressed she may kill more of her young.
We also have more cloudy days here and sun is harder on fur than warmer weather.
Northern Europe has much cloudy weather and there is a lot of fur raised there.
Northern latitudes may have animals with thicker fur and heavier coats but that may be year round and they still may not be prime until stated times.
Bryce
Last edited by bblwi; 09/23/18 10:25 PM.
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: GritGuy]
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09/24/18 05:36 PM
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I said it was a stretch LOL, guess the hair is not evolutionary either, if this were the case why do Arctic Fox have the thickest fur in the world ?
Habitat, diet, health all play into the fur, however the gene comes from where ? Actually, there is some thought and evidence that hair is in fact evolutionary. It is believed that hair follicles developed in sensory "pits" on some reptiles. Think of "pit vipers' and the sensory receptors on their heads. Similarly, look at a beaver tail. Where three of the 'scales'...for lack of a better term.....come together, there is an intersection of two lines that could conceivably create a slight dimple in the skin. It could be such a place as this that allowed a hair to sprout from the skin.
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: Nd native]
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09/24/18 06:40 PM
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So if a coyote roaming the prairie in Lebanon, Kansas isn't prime at 12 midnight on October 31st, then it certainly isn't prime at 12:01 on November 1st the following day. And this would be true at 12:02, 12:03 and so on. In other words, we can stipulate that a single additional minute does not make the difference between a prime coyote and an unprime coyote. Therefore, a single minute added from any point in time could not turn an unprime coyote into a prime coyote, regardless of latitude or time of year. The converse is also true, which suggests that coyotes are never prime or unprime. So quit worrying about it! 
"...in a very few days we succeeded in taking over one hundred beaver, the skins of which were worth ten dollars per pound."
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: Nd native]
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09/25/18 07:58 AM
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
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09/25/18 08:21 AM
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If you have a really cloudy October it moves the prime time up a bit. Usually here it is the 10th to 12th of November for MOST coon to be pretty well prime. Last year I started on them November 7th. I run multiple lines so my first check was on the 9th. I assume a lot of them were caught on the night of the 7th. Most of those coon were prime with some smaller 2x coon being I-II. The difference from the norm was that we were under clouds for the most of October last season. It was normal temps though. I can only assume it was the effect of clouds allowing sunset and sunrise to be shortened. Not a scientist but I pay attention to my surroundings. Moon phase has things to do with it also but that is a new thread altogether. LLL
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
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09/25/18 10:39 AM
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If you have a really cloudy October it moves the prime time up a bit. Usually here it is the 10th to 12th of November for MOST coon to be pretty well prime. Last year I started on them November 7th. I run multiple lines so my first check was on the 9th. I assume a lot of them were caught on the night of the 7th. Most of those coon were prime with some smaller 2x coon being I-II. The difference from the norm was that we were under clouds for the most of October last season. It was normal temps though. I can only assume it was the effect of clouds allowing sunset and sunrise to be shortened. Not a scientist but I pay attention to my surroundings. Moon phase has things to do with it also but that is a new thread altogether. LLL I agree clouds will move priming along as it blocks UV entering the eye of the furbearer. I been paying attention to the beaver priming here for several years and they seem to be better on rainy Falls. Cold Falls have clear sunny weather.
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: WadeRyan]
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09/25/18 12:21 PM
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Saw a guy today posting about killing his $100 coyotes in North Dakota today.... was already on his second coyote of the year. His reasoning was he's had his heater on at home for three weeks now so they must be ready. I'm all about getting them before they hit the down slope, but at some point you'd think it would dawn on you that you're jumping the gun a bit. Hah, if he actually ships those Coyotes i'm sure he is going to get quite the surprise once he receives his grades. He probably needs some educating on fur quality. Until I was shown in person with different quality coyotes next to each other for direct comparison I thought they were all $100 coyotes too. Now I know the difference and what the grader is looking for. Makes a big difference. Also I keep photographs of coyotes so I can reference them as a refresher.
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: Nd native]
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09/26/18 06:22 AM
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Saw a guy today posting about killing his $100 coyotes in North Dakota today.... was already on his second coyote of the year. His reasoning was he's had his heater on at home for three weeks now so they must be ready. I'm all about getting them before they hit the down slope, but at some point you'd think it would dawn on you that you're jumping the gun a bit. Hah, if he actually ships those Coyotes i'm sure he is going to get quite the surprise once he receives his grades. He probably needs some educating on fur quality. Until I was shown in person with different quality coyotes next to each other for direct comparison I thought they were all $100 coyotes too. Now I know the difference and what the grader is looking for. Makes a big difference. Also I keep photographs of coyotes so I can reference them as a refresher. I tell you what I tried to explain it to him, but it's his second season and he's got most everything figured out. Gave up. Didn't have the patience or the desire. Judging from what he's written I don't even think he skinned a coyote last year, and this year he's at least doing that. I did see a post from I believe it was Petska suggesting by October 15th those of you on the Canadian border should be good to go. Wish ours would come in that early. I am chomping at the bit a little bit but will wait it out. Still too many crops on the ground here even if I could start that early.
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Re: Unseasonable prolonged cold prime fur sooner?
[Re: white17]
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09/26/18 08:00 AM
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You have to consider that the chart Law Dog posted does NOT indicate what area of the country it pertains to. Exactly, 100 miles makes a big difference some times. I would add that the chart has critters in their prime for a long time. Our Coons, here on the river anyway, do not stay in their "prime" condition for two months as the chart indicates.
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