Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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The narcan isn't just for the drug users. More often it's used for first responders who accidentally come in contact with opiods, typically fentanyl. And as unfortunate as it may be, I don't see where the constitution gives the federal government the authority to regulate drug prices or provide free medicine. If the constitution doesn't grant the authority to do something, the feds cant do it. Can't disagree with this. Plus first res ponders having it on hand assists and thereby lowers the cost of treating the individual as complications develop further down the timeline of the individual emergency. This isn't fixing the overall problem of the OD, etc but there ya have it.
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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The narcan isn't just for the drug users. More often it's used for first responders who accidentally come in contact with opiods, typically fentanyl. And as unfortunate as it may be, I don't see where the constitution gives the federal government the authority to regulate drug prices or provide free medicine. If the constitution doesn't grant the authority to do something, the feds cant do it. Can't disagree with this. Plus first res ponders having it on hand assists and thereby lowers the cost of treating the individual as complications develop further down the timeline of the individual emergency. This isn't fixing the overall problem of the OD, etc but there ya have it. I agree as well. And when something goes awry, the first responders will get sued.
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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Gov funded rehab centers love narcan. Repeat customers equal more income.
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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Drugs are bad. There is supposed to be consequences , even death. Its serves as a deterrent to others.
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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PLUS remember when the EPI pen cost shot thru the roof. NOT ONE of our glory grabbing politicians proposed a bill making it MANDATORY that that drug be available for people that need it to live. !!!! If you'll remember it was Manchin's wife that mandated all schools have EpiPens and the FDA won't approve new devices.
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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Drugs are very bad. And there should be consequences. My own step father was a meth head and terrorized my family when I was a child, and was eventually murdered in a half way house.He was a terrible human being. But nobody is beyond redemption.But that doesn't answer the question-would you want a first responder to stand over your child while he dies, or save your child's life? How is a first responder supposed to know if the person laying there is a low life dope fiend or a person who came in to contact accidentally? Also, if death is supposed to be a deterrent, it's working about as well as the death penalty, which is to say not at all. I'm not going to start smoking heroin as long as I know someone will save me if I OD, are you?
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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with the cop who recently died from contact with the Carfentanil I can see every first responded wanting to carry it for themselves.
this might be a good way to always have a stock on hand for them.
and it plays well for the politicians they hate the idea of loosing such a valuable voting constituent with so many addicts dying.
one side of the Isle gets to look good voting for it to protect the first responders the other side of the isle thinks they just won the lottery saving valuable constituents.
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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Drugs are very bad. And there should be consequences. My own step father was a meth head and terrorized my family when I was a child, and was eventually murdered in a half way house.He was a terrible human being. But nobody is beyond redemption.But that doesn't answer the question-would you want a first responder to stand over your child while he dies, or save your child's life? How is a first responder supposed to know if the person laying there is a low life dope fiend or a person who came in to contact accidentally? Also, if death is supposed to be a deterrent, it's working about as well as the death penalty, which is to say not at all. I'm not going to start smoking heroin as long as I know someone will save me if I OD, are you? You may not but others will no doubt. Remember it takes a dummy to begin with. And the death penalty doesn't work because no one is hardly ever put to death. I say hang em high for all to see
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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I'm not sure I understand some of the sentiment being displayed. It saves lives. It's easily administered. Generic naloxone costs $20 to $40. Whether or not you agree with how the person got there is as mentioned - not a decision a first responder is required nor expected to make. It is their job to save lives. Let them do their job.
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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They get it once, PERIOD! And they should pay for that life saving experience or go to jail. Using drugs is illegal!
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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its their job to save lives, but why not help people who need drugs to live because of things out of their control first? The junkie gets free stuff, but diabetics have to pay for their insulin? Save the druggies who dont give a crap about themselves, but heck with people who do care for themselves but cant afford their medicine.
Its like calling alcoholism and drug use a disease and giving them free stuff because its a "disease" now. Well so are a lot of actual diseases and stuff to treat those people isnt covered. Lets take this another hypothetical route to counter some of the negative sentiment. You are opposed to spending 2.8m on narcan. A simple solution to help someone do their jobs that would not be selective on who it saves. Assuming you take that same 2.8m and put it to one of the aforementioned uses - would you require a detailed food intake history? would you limit it to type 1 vs type 2? would you issue the 2.8m in supply based on life expectancy? put an income cap on it? This is not meant to be an attack on your thought process or anyones current medical state, just taking the hypothetical one step further in the hopes of understanding the position.
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Re: Mandatory Narcan !!! REALLY
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Save the responders,let the addicts go X2 Addicts steal and endanger the lives of other human beings around them. Let them die. Humanity is better off without them. Keith
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