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Re: Beaver Mittens! [Re: GoneTrappin] #6343954
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Both ways have advantages depending on use apparently. Fur will be the warmest when fluffed up full of trapped air. We make hats with fur flow up and gravity causes the fur to stay pretty tall and traps more air. If you are walking around with your arms down with mitts then the fur flow is up just like a hat and should keep the fur trapping the most air and be at their warmest.

Now think of what happens when fur would get wet and the fur flow was toward gravity.

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Lots of commercial patterns for fur mittens. Missouri River. Eagles View. To name 2

Google fur mitten patterns and you will find more than enough options.

Some folks even make their own patterns from a worn out pair of mittens they already have.


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Re: Beaver Mittens! [Re: GoneTrappin] #6344003
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Why don't you make sinew like Tom Orr on Mountain Men. Do it old school.

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Originally Posted By: muskrat411
Why don't you make sinew like Tom Orr on Mountain Men. Do it old school.


Because artificial sinew is cheap and probably more durable. IMO you watch way too many reality T.V. shows. smile


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Re: Beaver Mittens! [Re: GoneTrappin] #6344032
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The longhair ruff keeps the snow from getting in the mitt at the cuff.
Mitts with the fur going up look stupid.
Same reason fur coats don't have the fur going up.

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Re: Beaver Mittens! [Re: GoneTrappin] #6344037
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I’ve built a few pairs and always have fur pointed towards fingertips. Just makes sense to me. My hands are pointing down way more often than up. Thought about making some of those handlebar ones in which case I’d want the fur pointed aft.

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On a snowmachine you want the fur fluffed up by the wind to keep warm and trap air in the underfur.You definitely don't want the fur flattened down by the wind when riding-it will lose its insulative value when you need it most.


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Re: Beaver Mittens! [Re: Boco] #6344043
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Originally Posted By: Boco
On a snowmachine you want the fur fluffed up by the wind to keep warm and trap air in the underfur.You definitely don't want the fur flattened down by the wind when riding-it will lose its insulative value when you need it most.


Wind blowing through fur does not trap air.

Then again maybe this is why animals always walk backward into the wind.

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Predators hunt cover in the wind.That is where their prey are holed up keeping out of the wind also.

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Re: Beaver Mittens! [Re: Dirt] #6344157
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Originally Posted By: Dirt
Originally Posted By: muskrat411
Why don't you make sinew like Tom Orr on Mountain Men. Do it old school.


Because artificial sinew is cheap and probably more durable. IMO you watch way too many reality T.V. shows. smile


Yeah but its artificial. Not worth talking about, sounds like he is making a show piece better to go old school. get more wilderness cred that way.

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Re: Beaver Mittens! [Re: Boco] #6344169
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Originally Posted By: Boco
Predators hunt cover in the wind.That is where their prey are holed up keeping out of the wind also.


Be tough to get the fur through the devils club walking backward to keep warm.


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Re: Beaver Mittens! [Re: Dirt] #6344218
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Originally Posted By: Dirt
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On a snowmachine you want the fur fluffed up by the wind to keep warm and trap air in the underfur.You definitely don't want the fur flattened down by the wind when riding-it will lose its insulative value when you need it most.


Wind blowing through fur does not trap air.

Then again maybe this is why animals always walk backward into the wind.


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I really don't have a preference as to which way the fur flows on gloves. To warm down here to care!

I'd say on a coat type item you would want fur to flow down so that it repels water/snow. I'd say I would agree with that logic on gloves as well before i agreed about -30 deg wind blowing through fur keeping you warmer! I'd think that would make you colder quicker? Kind of like opening your windows in the winter after taking a shower?

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I do think which way you flow fur on a hat will make or break it's appearance!

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No wind can go thru beaver underfur.It has barbs and locks together.Thats why its waterproof.Flattening it out makes it less insulative,just like house insulation.I trap all winter long in 30 40 below on a snowmachine.I have wore fur mitts for 60 years with the fur going towards the fingers,cause its the warmest.On the snowmachine the wind blowing on the guard hairs makes the fur fluff up and its more insulative.

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Re: Beaver Mittens! [Re: GoneTrappin] #6344241
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Sure takes a long time to dry the fur on one of those waterproof beaver I pull out of the river.


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Just rub in the snow,They dry right up,all the water is on the surface unless they been underwater for a couple weeks.I make beaver mitts for icefishermen,they can plunge the mitts right into the water and only the guard hair gets wet.They are always amazed at that property of beaver fur.

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I'm trying to visualize this. A beaver's skin stays dry under water because the fur traps air in it. The beaver moves predominantly in a forward direction. Water would flow over the beaver in the direction of the fur flow. This will flatten out the fur and make the beaver less insulated.

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An animal has the ability to raise its guard hair to support the underfur,dead fur does not have that ability.That is why you get goosebumps when you get cold,it is your body trying to hold up your nonexistent underfur.


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The only way this makes any sense to me is if your trying to say that you loose air pockets due to compression of fur as you travel if fur is laid in such a way that flow of fur goes with wind instead of against it. In which your trying to say you putting air in the fur buy turning it around. Which baffles me because the air your talking about is cold enough to freeze skin on contact.

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