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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383199
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Well "Boco" like I said earlier I have numerous "top lot" certificates for mink! And, as I understand it "top lot" brings the highest price, and I have removed the saddle from most all western mink I have processed.


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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383312
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It seems to me when fur Is shipped to NAFA It hasn't been graded yet. So NAFA graders are doing the grading on each and every pelt.
So If the grader sees something wrong with a hide It's being down graded. And that my friend Is the same as being DOCKED.


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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: bctomcat] #6383314
11/27/18 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bctomcat
Well "Boco" like I said earlier I have numerous "top lot" certificates for mink! And, as I understand it "top lot" brings the highest price, and I have removed the saddle from most all western mink I have processed.


You have to remember bctomcat that It's Bocos way or the HI way. LOL
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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383424
11/27/18 03:48 PM
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The top lot designation is irrelevant.If they all had intact saddles the buyers would have been comfortable offering a 2 to 3 dollar more price per pelt in the entire lot,like has been stated in the auction house fur handling manual.
I am just trying to help trappers get better money by passing on the information from the auction houses.As a tanner I know that mink,like muskrats tan better with intact saddles,and from speaking with furriers/buyers they have indicated they prefer intact saddles on wild mink.The reason given is that although some mink with saddles removed will be fine,there will be some issues with exposed hair roots on some of those skins and they bid accordingly.

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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383427
11/27/18 03:55 PM
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I'll help trappers too. If you can tan and sell your bad mink for $60, don't send your good mink to Auction to sell for $20. Well unless they have saddles.


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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383434
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That is after value added work Dirt.The avg will be about the same as the good mink sold at auction.You do know that time is money,right?
I have found 60 is the optimum price point that I can move my inventory at.Lower,I will run out,higher I wont move enough.
If I could move them at 75 I might consider tanning the good ones also.
Thing is,the market that I sell tanned mink into is not concerned about primeness/slt dmg to a great extent. Dmg like a missing tail would likely make a skin unsellable regardless of prime.You need to know your market.These are a sample of the II's suitable for my market.[Linked Image]

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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383438
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Whatever Boco.. It cost $10 to tan a mink. Beav when Juan uses that fleshing machine on all those ranch mink in Stoughton does he leave the saddle on?


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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383442
11/27/18 04:17 PM
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I pay myself around 20 to tan because I do it by "hand".The rest of the cost is travel to market etc.Saddles are removed from ranch mink with a machine that uses rubber "fingers" to do the work.No problem with hair root dmg to those.And the tannery can adjust the tanning process from initial soak ,shaving etc to accommodate a batch of mink, none of which have saddles.
Problem with wild fur is the inconsistency in handling.

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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383508
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Boco, both NAFA and FHA pelt handling manuals have specified to remove saddles from Western and Northern mink for at least the last 25 years. It seems to me this has been argued repeatedly on here.......
Both bctomcat and Boco have processed their mink properly, for their particular region. However, encouraging ALL Western mink saddles to be left on is an absurd suggestion. Some of the leaner mink saddles can be left intact, with no problems. I have seen Northern and Western mink with a pound of fat under the saddle, there is no way you could even possibly dry them, as they will weep grease and oil, which continuously softens the skin, and rapidly oxidizes/ yellows. These types of mink must be fleshed clean, I've never found it all that difficult to clean flesh them, without damaging the roots of the fur, just kind of slow, as you have to be careful to keep all that grease off the skirt fur. Canadian auctions ARE NOT the place to sell mink these days, or most fur for that matter!!!! So kind of irrelevant what they want! HA!

Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Dirt] #6383519
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I'm making a run down there tomorrow I'll check It out.


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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383605
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Well.T4E If you read what is copied from the fur handling manual you can easily see that the buyers have more confidence in the product with saddles left on.Furriers that I know and speak to on a regular basis have confirmed what the auction house has said.If your mink have a pound of fat on them I suppose you have no choice in the matter.I have handled quite a few very fat mink with the saddles on.Not a pound of fat though,lol.

As a matter of fact I had a true top lot mink(why I remember it) that was the fattest I had ever seen,and I handled it saddle on,pushing about an eighth of an inch at least of fat a out from underneath the saddle.

In the Fur Bible,it states that buyers prefer mink with saddles left on but that most western and Northern trappers feel there is too much fat and prefer to remove the saddle.


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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383617
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Originally Posted by Boco
The show lots are a representative cross section of the bulk.



At least that is how it is supposed to work.............

Speaking from years of buying at NAFA, it doesn't always work out that way. Just saying.

Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383641
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How timely,these just came in the mail .

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Just goes to show not all northern section mink need to have the saddles removed.

Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383695
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It's too bad; those could have been tanned $60 mink. frown

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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383713
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No they couldn't.It would saturate my market and I would have to lower the prices to less than 25cdn before value added to get rid of more than I currently do.My supply is fine tuned to the market to sell all at around a 25 cdn avg before added value.(a match to the auction avg of the better skins).

I price my beaver the same way only have to charge more as I ship those to the tanner.International charges $30 to tan mink.China charges $2 I hear.

Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383726
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I don't know why you guys are pounding your chests on a top lot mink. I got one for a road killed male a few years back! Don't ask which fur house it was, cuz I'm not saying...LOL

Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383731
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Not pounding chest,proving a point.
Funny you think that way.

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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383742
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I've been known to laugh at myself on occasion ... Sorry Boco your a good man and you deserve everyone's respect. For all you do on this forum.

Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383811
11/28/18 12:16 AM
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Well congratulations on getting $10 U.S. minus commission on those female mink.

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Re: Finishing Mink. [Re: Boco] #6383961
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Thank you.My avg was 20.
Have to ship the little ones,cant sell em,the buyers want the bigger ones for dodem.

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