Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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Question for you guys who are from that area: There is still a big papermill on the end of Wabigoon lake in Dryden, what do they do about mercury these days? Yes there still is a mill in operation. 500 employees, a lot of Manitoba wood gets trucked over to there. https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi28ZL5s9PiAhUCcq0KHfrED10QFjACegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fcanada%2Fthunder-bay%2Fdryden-pulp-collective-agreement-1.4912960&usg=AOvVaw2GqqViDhPGGhReaZjpUctQ They have changed the way in which they bleach the kraft paper now. My brother did his pre-masters collecting crayfish along the system and testing them for mercury. Their levels get elevated very quickly because the eat so much vegetation that absorbes the mercury in the water column. When he presented his data that is when the brown stuff hit the fan and fish were sampled the following summer to open the whole system up. I pity the poor people that live on the reserves and rely on the fish for a diet Hardly anyone in the reserves hunt and fish anymore.
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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06/05/19 07:19 PM
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Isn't that the truth Bernie. Poaching moose is as close as they come, but I speak of areas a couple hundred miles farther up than this. Also, used to be on every water connecting point or portage there were signs of marten trapping. Can't remember in the last 20 years or better seeing a native trapper in northwestern Ontario. I know there are some just not like the old days.
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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The Cree here hunt,especially geese and moose,and net fish for consumption.There are several in each extended family that provide for the elders and young and those that don't hunt.Some familys still trap but not near as much as in the past. Everything is shared.Feasts are common for any special occasions.
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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Hard to tell the size in the pic,the two bigger ones about 3 lb.Thats about the best eating size pickerel. Seen 25 lb pickerel in the native nets at the fish camp at mile 115,at the mouth of the Little Abitibi river.I prefer the smaller ones for eating,but the big ones are fun to catch.Seen netted sturgeon in a wheelbarrow with the tails dragging on the ground,lol. Some very big northern pike here too.I find rivers produce bigger fish on average,although there are some lakes that produce monsters like Lake Abitibi,Marathon and Kesagami. Pickerel are pickerel,,walleyes are walleyes.Canada land buddy of mine kills me when he keeps calling walleyes pickerel.LOL
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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06/06/19 08:55 AM
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Nothing still do the same thing dump at knight The process has changed in the manufacture of the paper in the last 40 years. Our walleyes are call " Green backs " that shinny Irish emerald green all the way. Maybe 49er has some proof what they look like. Removing the lateral line has nothing to do with removing the mercury contamination. sorry you have fallen for that line
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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06/06/19 09:02 AM
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Nothing still do the same thing dump at knight The process has changed in the manufacture of the paper in the last 40 years. Our walleyes are call " Green backs " that shinny Irish emerald green all the way. Maybe 49er has some proof what they look like. Removing the lateral line has nothing to do with removing the mercury contamination. sorry you have fallen for that line is there anything to do except cutting off the fat ,skin and eat smaller fish to try to avoid the mercury n of 50?
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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Nothing still do the same thing dump at knight The process has changed in the manufacture of the paper in the last 40 years. Our walleyes are call " Green backs " that shinny Irish emerald green all the way. Maybe 49er has some proof what they look like. Removing the lateral line has nothing to do with removing the mercury contamination. sorry you have fallen for that line The lateral line is on the outside of the skin. I'm talking about the dark, fatty tissue on the outside of the muscle. It's where most of the contaminants settle. Greenbacks are found in some parts of eastern Manitoba, pretty localized populations.
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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It seems you keep hearing about lakes in Canada that are strictly "catch and release". If the fish were contaminated from that lake, wouldn't it still have been a great fishing resort and thrived that way? A really sad situation for such beautiful country. For as long as it has sat vacant, it's surprising it hasn't been vandalized.
If an 18 year old isn't mature enough to own a firearm, the maybe a 5 year old isn't old enough to change gender.
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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It seems you keep hearing about lakes in Canada that are strictly "catch and release". If the fish were contaminated from that lake, wouldn't it still have been a great fishing resort and thrived that way? A really sad situation for such beautiful country. For as long as it has sat vacant, it's surprising it hasn't been vandalized. Catch and release fishing wasn't really on most people's radar in the 1970's. Very few fish were returned to the water; shore lunch and fish fries were a vital part of the culture of these resorts back then. Still are in most places. Most people would think if you couldn't keep what you catch, why bother?
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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It seems you keep hearing about lakes in Canada that are strictly "catch and release". If the fish were contaminated from that lake, wouldn't it still have been a great fishing resort and thrived that way? A really sad situation for such beautiful country. For as long as it has sat vacant, it's surprising it hasn't been vandalized. Catch and release fishing wasn't really on most people's radar in the 1970's. Very few fish were returned to the water; shore lunch and fish fries were a vital part of the culture of these resorts back then. Still are in most places. Most people would think if you couldn't keep what you catch, why bother? This. As a camp boy starting out in the late 60’s you better believe everyone wanted full filleted limits to take home. Catch and release only happened after the propane freezer was full and dinner stringers were dangling at the cleaning table. Out of say a 4 day trip we ate shorelunch walleye and dinner walleye every day but one, when usually pork chops were made. Ball lake lodge was the real deal, we only had plywood floors with a wall tent on top. The cook/eating shack was plywood sides with a tent top due to bears. I think Ball lake employed most of the natives of grassy narrows, men and women. In the camps I worked in I was it. I did everything but the breakfast and evening cooking. Osky
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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06/06/19 04:08 PM
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It is my understanding that the Wabigoon river from Dryden to at least Clay Lake is still on the "0" consumption recommended. If you go to the LCBO (government booze store) and ask for the list of contaminated waters, they will supply you with one. Last I heard, as of a few years ago anyway, Wabigoon R & Clay L were still on the list.
One theory I have heard is that the mercury traveled downstream from the mill in the Wabigoon R to Clay L where a lot of it it settled in the Lake due to the deeper, slower moving water. Now the fish contaminated in Clay Lake, travel up and down the Wabigoon river, so there is no way of knowing what fish are heavily contaminated and which are not. This type of contamination is cumulative so the longer the fish lives in contaminated water the worse the contamination. So eating smaller, younger fish is considered safer than older bigger, fatter fish.
Very cool thread to me. Like the vids Bernie, looks like you had her to yourself opening weekend! Good for you! (I wasnt too sure, lol)
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Re: Abandoned Fishing Resort
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I wouldn't eat a fish out of that area. I don't know why anyone would.There are hundreds of thousands of lakes and rivers that are pristine in Ontario and you could live off the fish and never worry about stumbling around like an alky from mercury poisoning.
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