Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 12:06 PM
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who is mentoring you locally? ….Here’s what helped shorten my learning curve by decades. Join your state trapping assn, Google it. Then contact officers off their site and ask for a mentor to ride along with. This gets you in the info loop of FREE trappers ed classes and meets and fur sales/pick ups, and conventions. Then attend ALL YOU CAN, this shows folks you are serious and will be a good student. It sure helped open many doors for me and it could for you as well. ALSO, get several different trapping supply catalogs, like MTP, Sterling Fur, FandT, PCS, Schmitt enterprises, Southeastern outdoor supplies, rpoutdoors, etc etc, THEN circle gear you need, and give the catalogs to loved ones to buy your Birthday and Christmas and July 4 and Anniversary gifts. Explain to them, you want their money to go towards what you will use and need, as opposed to another sweater hanging in your closet. WORKS GREAT in our family. Also, we have an amazing Archives here: https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/forums/9/1/land-trapping-archivewelcome aboard!
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 12:09 PM
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Bob
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Set location is the key. Set on fresh sign, and pay attention to the prevailing wind direction, so that your lure scent is blown towards the path of travel and not away from it. Make sure your traps are clean and bedded solid, no wiggle at all. If you have access to tools then night latch your dogs so that you get a crisp break and No pan travel when the trap fires. Make sure you use a sifter when you cover your trap, and remove any small pebbles or sticks from the area where the two jaws connect to the trap frame, it doesn’t take a very big stone to wedge right there and keep the trap from closing. Canines would always rather step on a low spot than a high spot, so bed your traps just oh so slightly lower than the ground surrounding it, causing a slight depression where your trap is. Stake your trap to hold the biggest animal you could possibly catch. Pan tension is important, I like mine at 2 pounds for a mixed species canine trap. If a spot is good enough for one trap then it’s good enough for two or three, sometimes up to six.
You will miss animals and make mistakes. Don’t get discouraged. The critters you miss will teach you more than this forum ever could if you listen. Take some time to study the miss, go through what happened and the sign will tell you how to fix it.
These are some of the things that I learned the hard way lol. Every tip I gave you I learned by making that mistake and missing animals. I hope this helps you get a good start!
"I have two guns, one for each of ya."
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 12:46 PM
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You've already got good advise now a little work and a lot of patience will pay off don't overthink it there is a reason a life long trapper got a start on muskrats and coon
olden tyred
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 02:10 PM
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Wylee
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Welcome. I can’t add a lot of advice as I still consider myself green. When I first started I wanted to target predators, coyotes in particular. Word spread around my elders and a man called Magoo took me on. He asked what I knew to which I replied not much. He asked what my plan was and I replied coyotes, he laughed. He told me we were muskrattin. I was a bit disappointed but after getting out to his spots and learning some muskrat sets and making connections, I was hooked. While I was still trapping with him that season he showed me many other water trapping techniques. I suppose there isn’t a whole lot that crosses over from water trapping to land trapping but I feel cutting my teeth on muskrat taught me a lot of other things like patience and the value of lure and bait. I also had no idea fox and coyote would hunt waterside. I guess my point and advice would be don’t put all your eggs in one basket..
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 02:59 PM
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J Staton
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Learn to blind set trails. Works on mink and coyotes.
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 03:55 PM
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Law Dog
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Learn about location or the learning curve is tough! Nothing worse then having traps and supplies and no clue where to place them that will catch anything.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 04:43 PM
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3 most important things about coyote trapping: location, location, and location. Put it where they are travelling making sure prevailing wind is blowing across trail. I like Hammer's example above.
NRALIFER,PRPA LIFER,HUNTER,FURTAKER
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 04:58 PM
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Once the snow flies CRs will be your best friend. Find a coyote track and hang a CR.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 05:13 PM
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Set on sign is the most important thing you can learn. You can catch a coyote in a bad set if you are on location. You cant catch squat in a perfect set if there is nothing to catch.
"If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough"
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 08:00 PM
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If you’ve got a couple bucks buy one of mark junes or Andy weisers videos. I’m sure there are others that are great too but those are the two that have given me a lot of great advice that I’ve used to put a lot of fur in the shed.
"I have two guns, one for each of ya."
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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Since you mentioned dirt holes, I'll comment on the one pictured in the Hammer's post. First, there is nothing wrong with it. You may notice the absence of backing behind the hole. Slanting the hole at an angle serves the same purpose as backing, that is, to guide animal approach direction to the hole. I prefer to use both slant and backing. For coyote and fox backing if used needs to look natural and be low enough for them to easily see over. Presumably, though not proven as far as I know, they would feel less safe if they could not see over the backing.
Bad practices take a few animals, good practices take more. So just because something worked a time or two does not mean it is ideal.
Good luck!
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 10:35 PM
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As a new trapper myself with only 4 coyotes under my belt here's what I have learned:
-Ravens are smart -If you have dogs and get them outside, watch how they behave. Especially how they orient their bodies to go pee. -A tiny bit of lure goes a long way -Pee posts are underrated -Bed your trap solidly -If possible make waxed dirt the solar method -Listen to the guys and gals who have been doing this for a long time. I have learned a LOT from very brief conversations with guys who've been trapping 40 or 50 years. -Plan on a lot of disappointment if targeting canines in the beginning, and don't be afraid to start on rats, mink, coon and beaver and then when you are solid on those move up to coyote.
Real name Eric The sharpest hammer in the box of crayons.
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 10:38 PM
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Since you mentioned dirt holes, I'll comment on the one pictured in the Hammer's post. First, there is nothing wrong with it. You may notice the absence of backing behind the hole. Slanting the hole at an angle serves the same purpose as backing, that is, to guide animal approach direction to the hole. I prefer to use both slant and backing. For coyote and fox backing if used needs to look natural and be low enough for them to easily see over. Presumably, though not proven as far as I know, they would feel less safe if they could not see over the backing.
Bad practices take a few animals, good practices take more. So just because something worked a time or two does not mean it is ideal.
Good luck! I would definitely heed Furvor's advice. I would venture to guess he has more trapping experience than 90% of the people on here.
Real name Eric The sharpest hammer in the box of crayons.
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 11:17 PM
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Actor
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Use basic sets like dirt hole, walk through (if a great location presents itself) and urine post. If you get a set knocked off and no catch... don't think of it as a loss. Think of it as an opportunity to learn something about the animal you are trapping. Study the scene like a good forensic person would do. Where did they put their feet (from tracks left). Was the corner of your trap showing now? Your scent or some other scent on the trap. Did you lack a back stop or was it too small and the animal came in from behind. There are hundred things that could cause a miss. Sometimes it is your fault and other times the animal has already been educated by having their toes pinched.
Read all you can about trapping your prey. Don't take everything you read as gospel, because your situation or environment might be totally different from the person that wrote the story.
Just take your time, don't be in a hurry to make your set or to leave you set after you catch or don't catch. READ THE SIGNS. Most books teach you to make a set but many of them don't tell you what to do if you don't make the catch.
I know there will be people that disagree with me and what I have said, and that is fine with me. Each person needs to develop their own style and techniques according to their potential, their equipment and their environment. Good luck and have a prosperous season.
Garry-
“Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.”
Have been trapping 77 years…
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/21/19 11:38 PM
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Pay attention to detail. Good advice above!
Everything the left touches it destroys
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/22/19 07:35 AM
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Be prepared to catch things you will need to release.(badgers, wolf, bobcat) logging roads are perfect highways for animals( I try to not go more than 30yrds from the truck) Gang set areas, if I set a cross road area, I try to get 1 or 2 more sets within that area( I have notice there tends to be 2 or more coyotes traveling together) Buy or make some waxed dirt Store some dry dirt now, bedding is tuff in some of the loose composted dirt in the big woods, bringing some dirt with you gives you something to dump in your trap bed to make bedding your trap way easier
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/22/19 12:41 PM
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i wanna catch just 1 too,the 1 that was howlin in my backyard last night. good luck to ya.
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/23/19 09:37 PM
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Mark June
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Keep your eyes open to themes that present themselves. A few things here or there start to fall into place once you get enough experience.
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Re: Any advice for a first year coyote trapper?
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09/23/19 11:40 PM
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Furvor
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New Mexico lure maker Wayne Derrick ( wayne52 on this forum) has said he loves to get inside a coyote's head. I don't know if he has published his findings. http://www.derricks-nm.com/
Last edited by Furvor; 09/23/19 11:47 PM.
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