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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Dirt] #6749326
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Originally Posted by Dirt

Impact of the Return Order
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In addition to extending the Stay Period to January 31, 2020, the Stay Extension
Order also authorized the Applicants to return Consigned Goods to the consignors on the following terms:

“upon request of a consignor, return consigned goods of that consignor that are: (i) subject to the standard form consignment agreement (as
attached as Exhibit "B" to the Lawson Affidavit), (ii) not in an intersorted lot,


In other words,

for trappers who are shippers..............................BOHICA !!!!! frown

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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6749333
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Yup that sucks!


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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6749336
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Wonder if they will give me back the pelts that they shorted me on the last few years as well. Lol


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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6749346
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I feel sorry for the Cat shippers. frown


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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Dirt] #6749361
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Originally Posted by Dirt
I feel sorry for the Cat shippers. frown

i call bs on Dirt









Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Dirt] #6749668
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Originally Posted by Dirt
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FHA has agreed in principle to conduct its March auction at NAFA’s Skyway Property from March 24 to 31, 2020, if certain terms are met (the “Auction”);
(ee)
The Applicants and FHA are still negotiating the terms of such Auction but expect to have an agreement in place by the time of the extension hearing;
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the Auction provides the Applicants an opportunity to sell its wild fur, and its owned or consigned inventory, in order to provide the Applicants with additional liquidity during, or just following the Stay Period;

The latest motion jan 27


So the "Skyway Property" is/was NAFA's main auction facility in Toronto? That sounds like good news to me. Answers the concerns about handling fur volume and encouraging attendance of international buyers.

Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6749688
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The cat guys wont lose that much-the bottom fell out of the cat market.


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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Boco] #6749750
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Originally Posted by Boco
The cat guys wont lose that much-the bottom fell out of the cat market.


I'm sure those guys whose cats sold in August between $200 and $975 won't lose much. crazy


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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6749885
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Interesting developments here between NAFA and FHA. First we hear FHA has hired a number of the old NAFA employees. Then FHA and NAFA are negotiating a deal to use NAFA's auction facility for the MArch sale. Mysteriously a few weeks ago NAFA's recently improved website reverts back to an older version. Perhaps FHA has purchased the NAFA website/accounting system that interacts with the live auction and provides real time updates to individual accounts?

Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6750663
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"An Order (the “Ground Leases Order”) approving certain conditions for the marketing and sale of the
ground leases and building municipally known as 65 Skyway Avenue in Toronto, Ontario (the “Skyway Property”)."

NAFA is selling the ground lease that I believe caused Imperial Bank of Canada to cut them off.

Monitors report 29 Jan

Lays out the details of Auction and safeguards for your money.

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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6750732
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Sounds encouraging.


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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6750753
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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6750764
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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6750808
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If we can recoup some money it's better than none.


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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6750854
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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Dirt] #6750927
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Originally Posted by Dirt
"An Order (the “Ground Leases Order”) approving certain conditions for the marketing and sale of the
ground leases and building municipally known as 65 Skyway Avenue in Toronto, Ontario (the “Skyway Property”)."

NAFA is selling the ground lease that I believe caused Imperial Bank of Canada to cut them off.

Monitors report 29 Jan

Lays out the details of Auction and safeguards for your money.


Dirt,
Thanks for your factual updates on this process. Could you expain why you believe Imperial Bank of Canada cut them off over a ground (land) lease?

Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6750939
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If I remember right from Documents, NAFA was not making their lease payments. Kind of a foreclosure deal. Don't quote me, I could be wrong.


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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Dirt] #6750952
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Originally Posted by Dirt
If I remember right from Documents, NAFA was not making their lease payments. Kind of a foreclosure deal. Don't quote me, I could be wrong.


Thanks again for taking the time to reseach the documents. You seem to be the most knowledgable on these issues and proceedings. It sounds like NAFA owned the infrastructure but were leasing the land it was on. Very unfortunate if that is what led to them loosing their financial backing, but obviously plenty of other debt contributing as well.

It will be interesting to see how much of the old NAFA infrastructure and operation are picked up by FHA. As it stands now the fur I shipped to FHA may well be heading for the same place, handled by the same graders, and sold in the same facility as last year with NAFA.

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Re: Jan 27, 2020 - NAFA Letter [Re: Actor] #6751032
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I was wrong( BDC) Business Development Bank of Canada owns the mortgage on the Skyview property.


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