Could not resist dropping back in to respond to White Marlin.

I thought you were joking.

I actually had open-heart surgery six years ago, and it did not even once occur to me to ask what the surgeon's fee was going to be.

Jim

Highly probable Gray Dog.
That way when you get two biased sides at the table, you have a greater chance of coming to a less-biased centric conclusion.
When only one side gets a say, it may be more biased one way, wouldn't you agree?
That's why climate research, the new frontier, is scary to me. One side doesn't want the other side at the table and shouts them down. Who's media spokesperson is a Scandinavian high school girl. ???? I don't know if this is bad or that's bad with regard to climate change (I believe God smiles at man as we play God) but it'll be years before progress is made in this field because the shouting from one side is too intense and no one opposed risks a pay check and career to shout back. Conservative views rarely shout. Liberated minds typically do. We know that.

Case in point; "Why do politicians do what politics requires them to do?"
I submit that the one who controls the seats at the table, controls the dialog, the pursestrings, and the direction of the project overall.
Or why else spend so much money to keep your seat at the table?

Today's research teams are now more diverse than they were even 20 years ago with philosophers, sociologists, theologists, biologists, and a whole host of voices weighing in.
Would you agree that's a good thing?
Kinda like TMan

No such thing as junk DNA.

OK, some more down to earth thinking. As far as doctors for open heart surgery. All things being equal, the one that can get me on the table the fastest. Now if the lawyer wants to say they can both do it in a hour I would agree with White Marlin. I would give them and hour to bid on the project. As far as to believe or not to believe, I'm just glad we live in a country that we can have this conversation. When our natural lives are over we will know the answer. That is why "thou I walk through the valley of death I fear no evil"

Well mortals didn't invent language.
I don't care if 100 Einsteins sat around a camp fire, back in the day, all throwing imperfective, and aorist, and pluperfect tenses at each other....
... they couldn't come up with this Koine Greek, (ancient Greek).

So far, I've refrained from posting links. But here, Mark, is one for you:

http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

Jim

All I can say is --- that's greek to me.

My GOD James, buy the time I read all that I will know if there is life after death.

Mr. June

1.) Yes as long as they are both honest brokers.

2.) So they can stay in office and enrich themselves and their families. I'm a little jaded.

3.) I'm not so jaded that I believe that there are not those who only seek the truth.

4.) You forgot psychologists. I imagine psychology is helpful when presenting information to a target audience to lead them to the desired conclusion.

I also like questions. It's a great way to control the conversation.

Thanks James. I'm somewhat familiar with that link.
I see they do list how Darwinism effected Marx, Hitler, and others.
With a link also, no less.
Interesting.

Please know, I don't discount science. I'm a scientist by formal education.
I just rest in the complexity of it all and the fact that man is not in control of the really big stuff.
Sun coming up.
Our next breath.
Ebb and flow of ordered life.
That kind of stuff.
We can't make a car last 50 years so I'm glad we don't have a "Bureau for the Sun comes up Tomorrow" or we'd be toast. No frozen.

I sincerely hope man finds revenant answers to many heart breaking and perplexing things our world... until the coming of the 2nd Adam.
Then it gets really real.

Good catch. Psychologists are at most tables.
Thank you.

But did you ask about his beliefs?

Only his belief as to whether he could fix the arteries in my heart.

Jim

proof positive that third party payers INCREASE the cost of healthcare (and education, for that matter).

[why WOULD you care what the fee is...if someone ELSE is paying it???]

in any event...what's the point of your question?

I just wanted to read the authors biography. Seems Mark Isaak, according to google, has none or it's not listed.Strange....