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Is ADHD imaginary? #6795530
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First off, let me say at this point in my life I have no kids, but I do expect over the next few years that may change. Anyway......
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I’ve got friends (well, more like acquaintances) that do have kids, and some of them claim their kids struggle with ADHD and they are all the time talking about medicines and CBD or whatever. But I feel like what these kids really need is a butt whoopin and most of these parents apparently don’t believe in that. Looks like to me all theseADHD problems have gotten worse in the last 10-15 as parents have gotten away from spanking. I mean, you really don’t hear of older people having problems with it. Heck, maybe I had it when I was little but I just got spanked all the time instead of pills or some weed bi-product. I turned out fine. And I plan to discipline my kids by spanking one day also.

What say you? Do you think ADHD is a made up thing?


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Re: Is ADHD imaginary? [Re: Wesley] #6795533
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being just shy of my 60th birthday I would like to know where was ADHD prior to 1980? before parents started letting the television or video games or grandma babysit for them? yep, we got out of line acting hyper, parents settled us down. kids are hyper by nature, full of energy, they have to burn it off instead of spending all day in the house.
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ADD and ADHD are real. I do think that sometimes the kids are just over medicated or the parents and doctors jump to giving medications.

Lack of discipline and proper parenting is also real.

Behavior and manners are a different thing than a lack of focus and attention or hyper activity. Can’t spank a kid into having a longer attention span or not having an over active mind.

But I do agree it seems since about the mid 80’s parents have tried to be their kids friend and not set them up for success by parenting them and preparing them for the real world.... they are taught that they can do what they want or that they are entitled to success and that they don’t have to work for it.

I am not a doctor though so it is just my opinion.


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Re: Is ADHD imaginary? [Re: Wesley] #6795536
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In a few rare cases it's a real thing, absolutely. And it has nothing to do with not enough discipline, all the butt whoopins in the world can't cure a chemical imbalance in the brain. But most of the time, it's just kids being kids. And more to the point it's usually just boys being boys. Boys have a far higher rate of ADD/ADHD diagnoses than girls. When you expect little boys to sit in a classroom all day and stare at a teacher droning on and on, of course they're going to have to wiggle around and struggle to pay attention. Most ADD/ADHD diagnoses start with a recommendation from a teacher. Boys and girls are wired differently, and expecting them to be the same is just nonsense. The idea that there is no difference between boys and girls plays a big part in the increase of ADD/ADHD diagnoses, and its really not that people want to think there's no difference between boys and girls, it's that boys are expected to be have like girls.

I was wrongly (I feel) diagnosed with ADHD as a kid. I was hyper, sure,and didn't always want to pay attention to things I found boring. But what little boy isn't a bundle of energy, and what little boy loves paying attention to a teacher drone on about stupid garbage he doesn't need to know? I was put on Ritalin, and forced to take it all the way until I turned 18 years old and moved out of the house. Did it work? I suppose,it made a zombie, so of course I could sit still and at least pretend to pay attention. I'm not a fan of the ADD/ADHD craze right now, and could speak a lot about it because of what I went through as a kid.

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I don’t think it’s made up, however I agree with your form of remedy lol. I was an over active kid and grew up with two sisters. I constantly got in trouble at school. You name it I probably got in trouble for doing it. My mom whipped my back side and my dad kept me busy with dirt bikes, camping, fishing and letting me run free...we lived in what was once a rural area. I turned out fine too. My wife and I own a house and property and have a great life together. I still adhd out, ya know like 50 unfinished projects around the shop, my desk of paperwork is usually a disaster and I have like 100 hobbies...I just look at it as a busy life.

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ADHD is real, behavior mod is an alternative to deal with it BUT it doesn't work for everyone, including my son.

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Most kids don't need regular spankings or drugs. They need parents who spend time with them whether it is work or play. Self centered parents have kids who develop behavioral problems.


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Way over diagnossed im sure

Its big business

Easier to medicate than to redirect or disciplin


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Re: Is ADHD imaginary? [Re: Wesley] #6795548
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My understanding of ADD and ADHD attention deficit disorder and attention deficit with hyperactivity disorder is that it is a sleeping disorder. Basically, the brain is trying to stay awake and to do that it seeks stimulus to stay awake. Because their brain is jumping from thing to thing to stay awake is why individuals with ADD/ADHD have difficulty paying attention.

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It’s real. I have ADD and my son has ADHD. Medication helps but doesn’t solve his attention issues.


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Its like autism-never heard of it back in the day-now every other kid is "on the spectrum" somewhere.
Maybe we never heard of it years ago cause they locked up the retards and did not integrate them like they do today.

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Desert, I have never heard that before and it makes perfect sense to me. I’ve had sleep issues as far back as I can remember. Sleep paralysis terrified me as a kid to the point I didn’t want to sleep. Still struggle with it as an adult. I still get nightmares and vivid dreams that wake me and cause a lot of sleep loss.

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I watched my 5 year old cousin drink some high sugar content juice and have some candies and then a meal followed by sugar rich desert all within about an hour, he then started fighting with his brother and being loud his dad apologized and said "he needs his pills". What he needed was a better diet and an adult that would put down their cell phone and take him outside to play, not a pill imo.

Even if it is real is medicating the best way to deal with it? Maybe we need to treat the kids differently as individuals and not expect them to conform to the same standards a shy eager to learning kid is expected to follow.

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What were we talking about?


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Hmmm, ADHD is real, not a sleep disorder (mixing apples with oranges), you really won't understand it until you truly have one or more children with it or perhaps have it yourself.

Has it been misdiagnosed and treated by everyone ; teachers, doctors, etc ?
Yep, just like many other symptoms.

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It's real. Delayed brain development. They don't catch on to social Q's like children without ADHD. Immaturity lasts longer. Impulsive thoughts are acted out. But it is not an excuse. Being a parent is very important. Patients and support. But holding them accountable for there actions. Medication is not a substitute for parenting It is a tool. Most will be able to live productive lives once they reach adulthood and there brain has time to mature. Speaking from experience , hair loss, and grey hair. But it was well worth the effort. We did what most parents are most proud of. There children. If you have a child with ADHD or ADD hang in there. Stay in the game. Your reward will be your child's success in life. While most others dont understand what you are going thru.

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It is real. I'm willing to bet if we stopped giving our kids so much sugar and foods with additives and preservatives, things would improve. One 8 oz glass of milk has half the daily recomonedarion for sugar!


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Are we possibly judging children by adult standards? What child dose not have a short attention span, full of energy, impulsive thoughts, and acting out. Druging them up is the easy way out.

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It's hard to raise kids. It's easy to medicate kids.

That said, ADHD is real. We have a kid in our church that absolutely has ADHD and medication helped to make him more "normal". We also have lots of kids who are just kids and have a hard time paying attention and like to run around and burn off steam instead of sitting down and listening to a teacher 6 hours a day - I was that kid.

I don't think discipline is always the answer either. My kids had plenty of discipline - when it was needed. It's easy to get frustrated with how rambunctious kids can be but sometimes it's just from being kids, not from being bad. It is hard to know the difference. Would be easier if they came with an owner's manual.


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