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Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Teacher] #6845147
04/16/20 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Teacher
K snow, I’m all for public assembly as long as you can guarantee me and everyone there they won’t get the virus, end up in a hospital for 2 weeks and be staring at $100,000+ in medical bills. The public health aspect of protection by shutting down religious assembly for a couple months is to keep everyone safe. And to all those who go to such assemblages and get sick, don’t you dare ask your insurance carrier or go to the public trough seeking money to pay your medical bills when you knew the ban was in place but you did it anyway.

I don’t like to see any religious/cultural group cheering when America is attacked. But cheering isn’t the same thing as shooting up a school, or killing people at night clubs, or shooting people at a synagogue. Words vs death. I believe there are too many guns available to too many out of control people. If American gun owners won’t police their ranks but cutting down on the availability of guns, the government has that responsibility.



You're more than welcome to self quarantine and have food and other necessities delivered and left outside your home so you can avoid contact with anyone.

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Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: FairbanksLS] #6845154
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Originally Posted by ApocalypticGoatH
Originally Posted by Teacher
K snow, I’m all for public assembly as long as you can guarantee me and everyone there they won’t get the virus, end up in a hospital for 2 weeks and be staring at $100,000+ in medical bills. The public health aspect of protection by shutting down religious assembly for a couple months is to keep everyone safe. And to all those who go to such assemblages and get sick, don’t you dare ask your insurance carrier or go to the public trough seeking money to pay your medical bills when you knew the ban was in place but you did it anyway.

I don’t like to see any religious/cultural group cheering when America is attacked. But cheering isn’t the same thing as shooting up a school, or killing people at night clubs, or shooting people at a synagogue. Words vs death. I believe there are too many guns available to too many out of control people. If American gun owners won’t police their ranks but cutting down on the availability of guns, the government has that responsibility.



You're more than welcome to self quarantine and have food and other necessities delivered and left outside your home so you can avoid contact with anyone.




And you might as well lead by example and give up your guns too.

Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Trapper7] #6845163
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I was addressing his concern about people practicing their faith. Never mentioned guns so why did you quote my post?


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Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Trapper7] #6845173
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One of the greatest and most loved Americans was a devout muzlim.-Muhammad Ali.I dont remember him trying to kill others that did not follow islam?


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Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Trapper7] #6845263
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Boco, his real name was Casious Clay. Not spelled right, but I don't care. He was a black muslim, and converted to their "faith", I think in his twentys. A lot of blacks call themselves that, but I'm not convinced they believe it like the ones from the land of sand. At least, the only real militant ones were the panthers, and they were more racist that muslim!


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Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Trapper7] #6845283
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He converted to faith when it was obvious that he could change American opinion. An American icon displayed to the masses as singled out as discriminated against!

Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Boco] #6845299
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Originally Posted by Boco
One of the greatest and most loved Americans was a devout muzlim.-Muhammad Ali.I dont remember him trying to kill others that did not follow islam?

Ding Dong.

Was he a champion of the second amendment of his birth country’s Constitution? He was born in Louisville, Ky.

No, he was a irresponsible joker, when it came to firearms. He acted like a thug.
https://www.nytimes.com/1975/09/23/archives/big-joke-in-manila.html


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Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: trap master] #6845401
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter



The Quran says to convert the Infidel by the sword....Make no mistake they are instructed to either convert you or kill you, and if they thought they had the upper hand right now they would attack to bring about Sharia Law.

There are no good Muslims at their core, to believe otherwise is pure ignorance of the truth.


Really? Not a single one? You've met them all?


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look up what the word JIHAD means....someone said it correct above. convert them to islam or kill them. this is what they believe

How do you know? You've asked every Muslim if they believe that?



The Bible teaches plenty of things that most Christians are more than happy to ignore. Could the same be true with Muslims? Is it possible that the quran teaches things that most muslims don't believe and are more than happy to ignore?

Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Teacher] #6845410
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Originally Posted by Teacher
K snow, I’m all for public assembly as long as you can guarantee me and everyone there they won’t get the virus, end up in a hospital for 2 weeks and be staring at $100,000+ in medical bills. The public health aspect of protection by shutting down religious assembly for a couple months is to keep everyone safe. And to all those who go to such assemblages and get sick, don’t you dare ask your insurance carrier or go to the public trough seeking money to pay your medical bills when you knew the ban was in place but you did it anyway.

I don’t like to see any religious/cultural group cheering when America is attacked. But cheering isn’t the same thing as shooting up a school, or killing people at night clubs, or shooting people at a synagogue. Words vs death. I believe there are too many guns available to too many out of control people. If American gun owners won’t police their ranks but cutting down on the availability of guns, the government has that responsibility.



"Nothing is certain but death and taxes."

I'll give you all the guarantees you want... What are you willing to give up for them?

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Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Trapper7] #6845509
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I’m all for public assembly as long as you can guarantee me and everyone there they won’t get the virus


If American gun owners won’t police their ranks but cutting down on the availability of guns, the government has that responsibility.



Police their ranks? Cut down on the availability of guns? Guarantee? Can you guarantee that if I voluntarily disarm, my family will be safe from thieves rapists murderers and oppressive liberal socialists?


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Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Boco] #6845520
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Originally Posted by Boco
One of the greatest and most loved Americans was a devout muzlim.-Muhammad Ali.I dont remember him trying to kill others that did not follow islam?


You have never read where Christians by the thousands were murdered for not converting to Islam in the middle east.

The leader of CAIR, at one of their conventions said Islam will never tolerate any religion other than Islam and that their goal is to convert the world at any cost.


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Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Trapper7] #6845530
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by Boco
One of the greatest and most loved Americans was a devout muzlim.-Muhammad Ali.I dont remember him trying to kill others that did not follow islam?


You have never read where Christians by the thousands were murdered for not converting to Islam in the middle east.

The leader of CAIR, at one of their conventions said Islam will never tolerate any religion other than Islam and that their goal is to convert the world at any cost.


But do you know if ALL muslims feel that way?


(I'm not at all defending Islam here, don't be confused. Straight up, all muslims go to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). By denying Christ, they're doomed. Every single one. That I can say with confidence. What I'm arguing against here is the idea that it's okay to paint one group with a broad brush, but then to claim that's it's just nonsense to paint a group you belong to with a broad brush. It's hypocritical, plain and simple.)

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Re: Justification For Gun Control? [Re: Trapper7] #6845580
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I have read a lot about Islam. One of the best books I've read was written by Dr. Mark Gabriel who was a former Muslim converted to Christianity. Since, his entire family has disowned him and he experiences death threats.

He wrote a book title Islam & Terrorism. In it he says there are 3 kinds of Muslims.
The Secular Muslims: They believe in the nice parts of Islam, but reject the call to jihad. They take on the cultural trappings of the message, but don't live it out completely. Many Muslims fall into this category.

The Traditional Muslims: There are two types of traditional Muslims. One type are people who study Islam, know and practice it, but jihad is a stumbling block and prefer to consider it a stumbling block. The second type are people who know jihad is fighting non-Muslims, but while they may agree with this, they don't want to get involved themselves. They prefer a nice life on earth instead of dying.

The Fundamentalist Muslim: These are the ones who perpetrate terrorism. Their goal is to practice Islam as Muhammad did. Though we call them radicals, they are practicing true Islam.

So, we can assume there are different kinds of Muslims as there are different kinds of Christians.

There was a time on the show Forensic Files where a Muslim couple killed their daughter because she began dating a non-Muslim. This isn't something you would normally see from a Christian family. But, this happens often with Muslims.

Bill Maher, is someone I disagree with 99% of the time. He once admitted his dislike for Christians, but said one thing he had to say for Christians was if you didn't convert, they wouldn't kill you. With Muslims your choice was you can convert or die.


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