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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: jbyrd63] #6862936
05/04/20 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Actually it cannot reproduce without a living mammal cell so yea you were wrong. LLL


LLL what type of degree you got in bacteria / virus/ germ life span. Living mammal cell. WT Heck are you talking about. NO ONE or at least me never mentioned anything about a host for the bug. I was just passing on info about how long the virus can survive "OUTSIDE a host AND outside in the sunlight.

GEEZZ stop being suck a douche bag


My search engine works too. I was also in the Army for six years where we trained in NBC warfare. I probably know more than you think. Calling people names is no way to act during a pandemic. It however does not change what I think of you though. lol, LLL


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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: LLtrapper] #6862938
05/04/20 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Don't know Really LLL ? Or won't tell ? You think this bug hasn't been test 10 ways from Sunday?? They know how long it lives on, under, near, or on top of everything humans come into contact with . They know what kills it. How to kill it. The issue is how to STOP it from spreading.. How to kill it once it is INSIDE the human body .....


It is not alive. You did it again. lol, LLL


Is a chambered bullet not fired a live round?


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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6862940
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Hobbie careful you are using the wrong words. LOL

Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6862941
05/04/20 09:39 AM
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Hobbie without a weapon the bullet is useless. Without a mammal cell it cannot reproduce. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. Without a host it is no threat at all. Kind of like a bullet with no weapon to chamber it. LLL


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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: LLtrapper] #6862947
05/04/20 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Hobbie without a weapon the bullet is useless. Without a mammal cell it cannot reproduce. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. Without a host it is no threat at all. Kind of like a bullet with no weapon to chamber it. LLL


I challenge you to throw a box of .22s into a campfire and then come tell me they are useless without a weapon to chamber it.


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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6862955
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Got him on that one. LOL


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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6862959
05/04/20 09:58 AM
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The majority of the masks I have seen being worn by the sheeple are as worthless as teats on a boar hog!

And yes, they may make the situation worse by concentrating the bad stuff on the mask that is then handled by the hands with or without gloves and then handling something else with the contaminated hands/gloves and leaving the bad stuff for someone else to pick up if they handle the same thing.

The masks being worn by the masses are just a feel good thing, totally worthless in preventing the spread of the virus.


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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6862967
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See that kind of thinking is why this crap is happening . IF YOU HAVE IT STAY HOME !!!!!!!!!
But if you have a cloth mask it will catch the particles if you sneeze or cough . That is how the germs are projected. But if you are OUTSIDE unless you kiss , lick , spit ,or sneeze directly onto someones face the UV light renders the virus ineffective in around 1-2 minutes..



Hey LLL My first time mentioning what UV light does to the virus I didn't say "kill it"
I said Ineffective but for your sake should have said "INACTIVE"
wrong again ............

Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6862978
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Here is some more to add to the pile of learning. The writer makes one think maybe he knows his stuff.

Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6862979
05/04/20 10:22 AM
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In a Nutshell we all have Schroedingers virus

Because we can not get tested we can not know wether we have the virus or not.
We have to act as if we have the virus, so that we don't spread it to others.
We have to act as we don't have the virus, because if we didn't have it we are not immune .
Therefore we both have and don't have the virus.

There That should clear things up.

You are welcome


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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: jbyrd63] #6862981
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
I wrong it is 1 1/2 minutes in direct sunlight. It only lives an hour out of the sunlight .... Don't believe all this crap about 24 -48 hours on hard surface. I know you may be tired of hearing this but bacteria and germ killing was my job for over 20 years. Sewer plant operator. Most of this crap the media is spewing is to scare people about the transfer. The numbers are high where people were breathing each other, staying cooped up inside, Traveling under ground. OR just plain nasty !!! THe death tolls are high in elderly, sick weak and FAT people.
My source is google and 2 decades handeling , breathing,and being knee deep in every kind of virus/ germ you can imagine...
This is from an article on google..

Just before President Trump's comments about UV light on Thursday, William Bryan, a science and technology advisor at the Department of Homeland Security, presented some results from a study they have conducted into whether sunlight can kill the pathogen.

They found that when the virus was suspended in the air, its half-life – the amount of time it takes to deactivate half the particles in a particular sample – in “ordinary conditions” (20% humidity and a temperature of 70-75F (21.1-23.9C)) was around an hour. When they added sunlight into the equation, that shrank to just one and a half minutes




OMG A science and technology advisor talked about "killing" the pathogen LLL you need to contact Homeland security and inform them that he is stupid!!!!

Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: Foxpaw] #6862984
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
sunlight

Here is some more to add to the pile of learning. The writer makes one think maybe he knows his stuff.


Nope better not read that Fox paw. I pasted a portion of the article and they said "kill the FLU VIRUSES " LLL has proven you can't kill it because it's not alive. How dare people with TONS more education than he or I use that term !!! LOL



– Dan Arnold






To use UVC safely, you need specialist equipment and training. The World Health Organization (WHO) has issued a stern warning against people using UV light to sterilise their hands or any other part of their skin.

During the White House briefing on Thursday, the US president suggested that UV light could be brought inside the body to kill the coronavirus. It's not clear which type he meant, but given what we know about the damage UVA, UVB and UVC can do to genetic material and living tissues, this would be a bad idea – let alone impractical, since Covid-19 mostly infects the lungs.

Recently, scientists have discovered a promising new type of UVC which is less dangerous to handle, and still lethal to viruses and bacteria. Far-UVC has a shorter wavelength than regular UVC, and so far, experiments with human skin cells in the lab have shown that it doesn’t damage their DNA (more research is needed to be sure).

On the other hand, bacteria and viruses don’t come off as well, because they are small enough for the light to reach. One study found that it could prevent mouse wounds from becoming infected with the superbug MRSA, while another found that it could kill flu viruses suspended in the air.

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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: Getting There] #6862993
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Originally Posted by Getting There
I think it would be interesting to survey people that has the virus and see if they were following the rules, wear a mask when around people, wash hands
do not touch your face, stay 6 feet apart, stay at home.



that would be a very interesting survey.

I suspect that many of them if they told the truth have not been doing such a hot job of it.

others well they may have been doing as much as they can but they may have been in a compromised situation any way , this is tearing through nursing homes at an alarming rate the patients have little control over what gets brought in.

the answer was for the car givers to shelter in place with the patients very early on like March 5 but that isn't possible every where.

where my 91 year old grandmother lives in an assisted living facility 4 of the employees did do just that and they try and make those the only employees to have direct contact with residents.

I was at the hardware store Sunday to get screen to fix the screen in my kitchen window to get some air moving in the house , there was a old lady there with her oxygen tank and mask half on , buying a bird feeder and seed , I wish she had a family member who could have done that for her.


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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: Osky] #6863059
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" if the government would have done their job and stopped this virus before it happened" Is this a joke?

Try asking the 68 thousand people who died.Oh sorry we can't do that sorry they are dead!

Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6863067
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Well we might finally get down to what the definition of the word is, is. LOL

All my life I've heard the experts say they made vaccines out of dead virus and you build up immunity. If you use live virus you will catch it. So I'm starting to think some are talking in tongues and the rest of us just talk gibberish, lol.

Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: walleye101] #6863068
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by Slick Pan
If the government wants people to wear masks they should supply the public with safe N95 masks.I remember them telling everyone no need for masks.Don't buy the N95 masks we need them for heath care workers.Well no need for masks if the government would have done their job and stopped this virus before it happened.They could have done that and failed the american people.Now we have tens of thousands dying,millions out of work,thousands in isolation,people that will starve and all they are worried about yet is money.That's the reason they never shut the country down in the beginning was money.Maybe when and if they mail a 1200 dollar check they should put a note in there saying."Sorry we killed your Grampa but here's 1200 dollars that is what you are worth."


Who is this "they" you speak of? They can only supply masks or checks using our money. And they don't have any magic to stop a virus before it happens. Sure, "they" could have involked marshal law, mandatory quarintine for everyone everywhere to try to stop this thing, but only if we let them, because they are us.

Who is this "they" you speak of?

Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6863073
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Who is this "they" you speak of?

Us. Like it or not the government are the people we have elected to represent us. The government has no special powers to stop viruses. Nor do they have any of their own money to hand out free stuff.

Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6863107
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I keep thinking, this would be a good time to be a robber.

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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6863109
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I think what They are saying about the Government is , we should have Secure boarders from all manner of threat including Viral

we quarantine animals entering the country and have a vet check them out. they must stay in a facility for a given number of days on entry to the country

had there been good info early on about the spread and nastiness of this particular virus and had the elected leaders closed our boarders early and implemented quarantine of those entering the country a month or more sooner it wouldn't have the impact it is having domestically.

this has been what saved us from so many nasty hemorrhagic Flues in the past.

we got too loose and fast with our boarder security , Is I believe what is being said and it is something that needs to be taken very seriously in the future.

just because you can be around the world and back in 48 hours doesn't mean we should all do it.


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Re: Help me understand this mask thing [Re: loosegoose] #6863113
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jbyrd63 is your real name Hal by chance? LLL


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