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Re: Lots of does mean bigbucks!! [Re: jbyrd63] #6864778
05/06/20 12:17 PM
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a lot of deer means a lot of deer if the food is there some will get big

when a lot of deer does not mean a lot of big deer is when there is a brows line in the woods. almost no undergrowth , everything is eaten , winter starvation.

different areas will be very different

available food will make a huge difference

if you hardly get any snow and have forage year round or nearly year round your much more likely to have many big deer.

hay makes a huge difference

if you are in an area with hay , lots of big deer are possible of course at the cost that they are eating someone's profits

having hunted an island for nearly 30 years , a lot of deer didn't used to mean a lot of buck or big bucks by any means

you might see a heard of 30 doe with 1 buck on a single drive we did a lot of deer chasing and not much shooting till doe tags.

very little under growth they could graze a woods to almost nothing

how did this happen ?

decades of buck only

I won't say more than a few decades because before about 1950 there were doe taken just not during the deer season they were taken as they were needed , there was a balance even if not a legal one. then from about 1960 to 1990 there was a lot less deer taken in the spring and through the year.

not hardly any doe tags for that 30 years people shot the only buck the saw they might see 50 deer and one buck and it was the only legal deer to shoot so it was.

then almost 3 decades of near unlimited doe tags and we started seeing a lot more bucks , specially after a few years of earn a buck.

total number of deer is down maybe a little , people often still shoot the first buck they see but we see more and get the larger , hey it's an island and the gene pool isn't that big so they still aren't huge

add in some agriculture returning to the island fields being plowed again and winter wheat hay and pastures that had been farrow many years.

there is not one thing that will hold true for all areas , climate , agriculture , and terain make a big difference


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Re: Lots of does mean bigbucks!! [Re: jbyrd63] #6864787
05/06/20 12:27 PM
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Read anything by John Ozaga He was a DNR biologist in Michigan and "Dr. Deer" long before Deer farms, QDM, Point restrictions Leave em Go Leave em grow and many self appointed experts were even borne He studied pen enclosed deer and collared deer from fawns to large mature bucks for 30+ years


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Re: Lots of does mean bigbucks!! [Re: jbyrd63] #6865009
05/06/20 04:19 PM
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To many does and the smaller bucks are breeding them.


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Re: Lots of does mean bigbucks!! [Re: Bruce T] #6865687
05/07/20 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
To many does and the smaller bucks are breeding them.

Yea maybe but that 185 booner is still passing on the SAME genes if he breeds a doe as a 2 1/2 year old basket rack 8. It is reported that 80% of the does are bred by the teenagers because the big bucks can only tend one doe at a time. If he locks done with a doe for 2 days junior is having his way with the rest !!!

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