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I’m just curious who is willing to put their money where their mouth is. There are currently almost half a million kids in US foster care, many available for adoption. Who fully supports government programs to take care of these children? Who gives financial aid (not in taxes) to help out these many children? Who supports programs that help these kids when they are adults and in trouble, whether legal, financial or mental? Who thinks that women should be forced to carry and give birth to a child that may suffer a terrible upbringing is so important that they are willing to financially and emotionally help those kids?
Unless you are willing to help carry the burden then I think the strong stances are blowing hot air around a topic that was moot until it became political.
To me it’s strange as all heck considering how many unwanted children become the very people so many on here despise, the social program users, the incarcerated, the uneducated, the poverty stricken. If you think most unwanted children end up living amongst beautiful row crops in Iowa or on a mountainside in Idaho then I think you are sorely mistaken.
Already asked and answered. There is a huge backlog of couples wanting to adopt but denied or delayed due to the paperwork and background stuff. Why do you think so many Russian and Asian kids are being brought in for adoption?
raise the age to 12 or thirteen and its hundreds every day. many many many victims of incest. Would you really force a 13 year old to bare her step dads child bruce? if so you are one sick individual
She can then give it up for adoption and not have to endure another tramatic event by having a abortion.Bad enough she had to endure being raped.Lol and you call me sick .....I support human life thru God and Jesus our Lord and savior.
Nevada bound
Re: A Sovereign Right over your Body
[Re: Bruce T]
#6924998 07/09/2002:06 PM07/09/2002:06 PM
raise the age to 12 or thirteen and its hundreds every day. many many many victims of incest. Would you really force a 13 year old to bare her step dads child bruce? if so you are one sick individual
She can then give it up for adoption and not have to endure another tramatic event by having a abortion.Bad enough she had to endure being raped.Lol and you call me sick .....I support human life thru God and Jesus our Lord and savior.
I imagine for many women, giving birth to a child resulting from rape would be much more traumatic than aborting the fetus. That being a decision none of us guys would ever have to face, we don't have any real ground to stand on for calling it one way or the other. Believing in something is one thing. Making other people conform to your beliefs, when the outcome has no actual bearing on the way you live your life, is quite another.
What kind of god would allow a little girl to be raped by a family member? Or any of the other heinous things that happen daily. The god described in your bible is a heartless one. If a creator exists I don't believe it will be anything like what is described.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
It’s bizarre when when men , generally from privileged lives, (nobody in here I’m sure, surely everyone was born with nothing and worked for everything they have) try to decide what a woman decides to do with her body when that same woman shall have no say in anything gun related when that forced kid enters schools.
Like Coos said, it has no bearing on how any of us live so to think one way about something is a lot different than trying to force others to live that way is another.
Heaven does not appeal to billions. God (if he’s real) has aborted far more babies than man ever has so I doubt he cares too much about that. It’s propaganda that has been bought hook line and sinker if you think you’re god cares about abortions. There is history to learn regarding when and why it even became a contentious issue.
Re: A Sovereign Right over your Body
[Re: rvsask]
#6925014 07/09/2002:21 PM07/09/2002:21 PM
It’s bizarre when when men , generally from privileged lives, (nobody in here I’m sure, surely everyone was born with nothing and worked for everything they have) try to decide what a woman decides to do with her body when that same woman shall have no say in anything gun related when that forced kid enters schools.
Like Coos said, it has no bearing on how any of us live so to think one way about something is a lot different than trying to force others to live that way is another.
So just stand by and let innocent human lives be killed?You might stick your head in the sand and do nothing.But I will always stand up for human life.
Nevada bound
Re: A Sovereign Right over your Body
[Re: rvsask]
#6925015 07/09/2002:23 PM07/09/2002:23 PM
Heaven does not appeal to billions. God (if he’s real) has aborted far more babies than man ever has so I doubt he cares too much about that. It’s propaganda that has been bought hook line and sinker if you think you’re god cares about abortions. There is history to learn regarding when and why it even became a contentious issue.
Wow.....Good luck when you face God.Your sure going to need it.But untill your last breath you can always turn to God thru our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
Nevada bound
Re: A Sovereign Right over your Body
[Re: Bruce T]
#6925017 07/09/2002:25 PM07/09/2002:25 PM
It’s bizarre when when men , generally from privileged lives, (nobody in here I’m sure, surely everyone was born with nothing and worked for everything they have) try to decide what a woman decides to do with her body when that same woman shall have no say in anything gun related when that forced kid enters schools.
Like Coos said, it has no bearing on how any of us live so to think one way about something is a lot different than trying to force others to live that way is another.
So just stand by and let innocent human lives be killed?You might stick your head in the sand and do nothing.But I will always stand up for human life.
Always? Everywhere and anywhere? I would call arguing on an online forum not much better than standing by. Thousands of innocent lives are ended every day across the globe, what do we do to save all of those?
The world is a big place, and many men and women of higher moral character than you and I have lived and died with no awareness of modern American Christian values. I'm not knocking those values, but there's a lot more to the moral high ground than our opinions.
Bruce, the only human life I see at the time of abortions is that if the lady, much like I dont see those fertilized brook trout eggs as fish until they’re swimming. You see something different due to either your family culture, upbringing, religious views etc. It doesn’t mean you’re right, doesn’t mean I am either, it’s our perspective. Obviously the religion aspect plays in huge in this one and your country is an interesting anomaly when it comes to religion so I understand that is the basis of many viewpoints on here.
All people will have to answer to God.Supporting mortal sin and then facing God with that on my soul is not where I want to be.Thank God for Jesus as without Jesus none of us stand a chance.God is waiting patiently for each one of us to turn to him before we die.I believe that with all my heart and soul.If I'm wrong then we simply rot in the ground.I have nothing to loose.But if I'm right and people who support mortal sins like abortion have everything to loose.
I took a look at that Wiki page. One thing that stood out , a girl (8yo) gave birth in Nigeria in the late 1800's. Her daughter also gave birth very early at 8+ years old. She became a grandmother at 17 years of age. Probably a world record of some sort. Chilling..........
I don’t think I’ll have to answer to god anymore than any of the 200” whitetails Ive killed, the pike I ate last night or the jackpine tree I cut up for firewood so the constant preaching of god on here isn’t going to change me or anyone else’s mind who views life and our role in nature as I do. Therefore using it as an appeal on the abortion thread only serves to reinforce your own ideas and those who have the same beliefs.
Yes, I’m aware mine do the same in regards to those similar minded so I’ll quit with the internet debate, it serves no purpose. Good luck fishing.
What kind of god would allow a little girl to be raped by a family member? Or any of the other heinous things that happen daily. The god described in your bible is a heartless one. If a creator exists I don't believe it will be anything like what is described.
To say a god who allows evil isn't a god at all is the same as saying a god that doesn't give me everything I want when I want isn't a god, and he wouldn't be if he did. God is not the sugar daddy in the sky.
If I gave up to all of those who are ok with abortion for incest, rape and risk of death of the mother, would you agree with me that abortion is wrong in all other cases?
Yes, I would still support it though as it keeps populations of those to dumb to use proper birth control in check.
Re: A Sovereign Right over your Body
[Re: warrior]
#6925070 07/09/2003:06 PM07/09/2003:06 PM
To say a god who allows evil isn't a god at all is the same as saying a god that doesn't give me everything I want when I want isn't a god, and he wouldn't be if he did. God is not the sugar daddy in the sky.
There is a big difference between not getting everything you want and children who are born with cancer who survive a few miserable weeks before perishing.
Man has sought to understand his Creator a very long time. A very long time. Will we get it all correct? No way. Do we have sufficient proof He exists. Yes. Does everyone see it? No. Why? How can we know, it isn't our design.
At the core, believers have faith there is a world bigger than this that we can't explain. We do our best. Underline best. At the core, unbelievers have faith that this world is it. Period.
I have about .0000005679'er of the 1% knowledge needed to understand most things. But I know when I look at creation, that there is an orderly design. It may be at war sometimes, but I guess that's His plan. Who are we to say that isn't the way it should be? We're all just 5 minutes from the wages of sin. All of us.