Re: SBC Going Woke?
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I’d worry about the message your church putting out. I know they are “under” the convention however, “If the eye offends thee, gouge it out.” No need to look for a whole new body.
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Re: SBC Going Woke?
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09/17/20 07:14 PM
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They're basically saying Southerners are bad and you should be terribly ashamed for being from the South because of what was going on 155 years ago, before anyone living was born, which is utter crap.
Keith The Holy Spirit makes us aware of shameful things we need to change. It’s not really a group thing.
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Re: SBC Going Woke?
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As a Yankee, I don't like the implication that the concept of "southern" is so shameful that it must be stricken from the denomination's name. I guess everything south of Delaware is of Satan.
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Re: SBC Going Woke?
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09/17/20 07:32 PM
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I’d worry about the message your church putting out. I know they are “under” the convention however, “If the eye offends thee, gouge it out.” No need to look for a whole new body. That's where I'm leaning towards a leadership change.
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Re: SBC Going Woke?
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In this instance it sounds like Christ hasn't been the head of this group for awhile or this would not have come up does it?
The Holy Spirit makes us aware of shameful things we need to change. It’s not really a group thing.
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Re: SBC Going Woke?
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I believe we were warned that the church will be corrupted. My eyes were opened when the Lutheran and Presbyterian church decided to endorse and support same sex marriage. As sad as that is it was good for me and made me start read my bible more. I decided I needed to avoid any smoke others may be blowing. Amen. “Seek ye first the Kingdom.”
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Re: SBC Going Woke?
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09/17/20 08:29 PM
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There is tension over many things in the church, much of which has a date stamp beginning in the same ear.... 19th century. This is another one of those tensions. Followers of Christ in 2020, in many ways, are left with the fallout of situations caused by what you're talking about J, and there aren't easy answers. Traditions (liturgies) run deep and help form who we are, so conflicts to those liturgies, cause arguments. Dr. Charles Swindoll is one of my favorite pastor/teachers on what Swindoll considers the greatest sin on earth, "humanism" = man following man, rather than man following God. I pray SBC leadership focuses on the SBS doctrines of God rather than all of our human urges to be prideful, "right," exalted, adored, and worshipped. Not an easy discussion. But, it needs to happen. Let the purging of wrong hearted teachers and teaching that began long ago get rooted out and tossed in the burn pile. It'll be messy, but we pray the SBC emerges stronger for it. It has been losing membership for years. I hope they return to their historic fundamentalist doctrines. The three evangelical denominations that are experiencing growth are all three traditional in their belief statements. You inject too much culture to go along and get along, and we see in every instance since 1900, this approach has backfired. Just short, quick brushfires is all. We pray they find worthy answers. Blessings, Mark
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Re: SBC Going Woke?
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Can't speak for Baptists, but if that happened in the LCMS, Our pastor and most of the parish would chang synods, or start a non denominational church, I do believe!
Mark, you are spot on on the humanism. I said in an earliier post, "I hate isms". None seem to be good for mankind. The mega churches have gotten so popular, mostly because people want to be entertained, not praise the Lord. Goes back to the nism again!
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Re: SBC Going Woke?
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09/17/20 08:52 PM
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The "nones" are growing in America. Those who admit to having no religious affiliations. I argue (defined as talk back and forth from different points of view) with folks often about churches and what types of folks are in them. I wonder, "Who taught anybody, anywhere that those who place faith in Christ are "zap" cured of earthy sin issues?" Where do we think folks with issues try and resolve baggage in their lives? The doctor? An attorney? A liquor store? The guy selling on the corner? Internet pleasures?
Some seek God. And so a church, much like a hospital behind enemy lines, is full of all sorts of people. And following Christ is a redemption for your sins before a holy God, but it doesn't "bing" turn off the sin switch. "Selling" that inerrant theology at the alter has not helped. The church is full of sinners. The news is full of sinners. The workplace is full of sinners. But, I would argue, most in the churches are seeking a better way. Not all of them, but most.
God's plan is really quite fascinating. Billions of image bearers, that He creates in His majesty, trying to figure it all out here on earth. It's a good thing He sent His Son, to show us the Way.
Blessings, Mark
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Re: SBC Going Woke?
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I believe we were warned that the church will be corrupted. My eyes were opened when the Lutheran and Presbyterian church decided to endorse and support same sex marriage. As sad as that is it was good for me and made me start read my bible more. I decided I needed to avoid any smoke others may be blowing. There are three denominations in the Lutheran faith. The one of which you speak is the ELCA. I could not go to church with that crowd! There is also LCMS, which is Lutheran Church Misouri Synod, and WELS, which is the Wisconsin Synod. WELS is more conservative than LCMS, and we have had some issues crop up at convention time, several times, but have been able to quell it. Libralism (isms) is a terrible mental disorder!
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Re: SBC Going Woke?
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Check out the book "SBC: house on the sand" by David Beale
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