Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose and sometimes we get rained out. One would think one could identify which position we are in, but its not always easy. As Providence Farm said , we get a feel for our composure over time and can identify where we are and make adjustments. I try to avoid locking or marrying a position to the point there is no way to change my mind. People do that a lot of the time because of pride or some other deep rooted notion. I often recognise that feeling in myself when I start getting that "King Kong" feeling. I learned when I get that feeling just not to leap, without a soft landing spot any way, lol.
A woman marries a man thinking she can change him and he don't change. A man marries a woman hoping she won't change and she does.

Some of the things that I finally changed in my life, I find that I'm too old to put it into motion and realize any value from it, and passing it on for others seems nil also. Because people have to learn for themselves.

Oh Lord I had to come back to see what Lefty said!

Ya’ll dont get him turned loose and tuned up today!

The nightmare has begun!

I have a feeling this is not what it seems.

Wild furbearer management and conservation is a complex subject steeped in science and biology.Trappers are the front line conservationists and the rest of society who enjoy the abundance of healthy wildlife populations for their own altruistic reasons should thank the dedicated wildlife managers with their boots on the ground(trappers) for our abundantly healthy ecosystems managed at an optimum carrying capacity by trappers for everyone's enjoyment.
Trapping in North America is highly regulated for the purpose of keeping wildlife at an optimum healthy sustainable level free from zoonotic diseases that have run rampant in the past before furbearer management was implemented.Diseases of all sorts devastated whole populations of animals in the past to the point where species were on the brink of extinction.Wild animal diseases often cross over to humans with equally devastating results(covid for example)Wild furbearer managers had the foresight to trap and relocate animals to save entire species and implemented regulations like seasons, quotas,licensing and trapper education to manage the populations at sustainable levels to prevent the devastating diseases from taking hold in the future in unmanaged populations of furbearers that were overpopulated.
In North America animal populations,habitat carrying capacities,and harvestable quantities of surplus animals have never been higher.
I doubt if Peter has any concept of wild furbearer management so In a nutshell-for peter-The land has a limited capacity to provide for a certain number of animals on the landscape long term.When the habitat is at optimum carrying capacity,there is a healthy population of animals with sufficient food and shelter opportunities.In spring these animals reproduce and more animals are now on the landscape.These extra animals will generally do well for the summer and even in the fall when the young disperse.This is when the resources become stressed from the influx of the extra animals.The older animals have an established home range which they defend against the dispersing juveniles seeking to establish a home range of their own to overwinter.Many of these animals will perish by late winter.Late winter is the leanest and harshest time on the landscape,and this is the time when the carrying capacity of the land is set and established.This is the time of year when the juvenile animals that have not been able to establish a home to sustain them die from starvation or disease.
The wildlife conservationist(trappers) role is to take the excess animals on the landscape that will not survive whether trapped or not in order to keep the population that remains healthy and in balance with the carrying capacity of the land.This paring back of the excess population is done in late fall and early winter which opens up areas for dispersing juveniles to establish home ranges for winter and/or take the excess juveniles that will not be able to find a place to live for winter because other animals are already there.Care must also be taken not to affect the breeding population responsible for reproduction by overtrapping or trapping at the wrong time of year(late winter,spring).

A good analogy is explained by the great wolfian bathtub riddle established by studies done by biologists in Algonquin park in the 50's and 60's.

Carrying capacity of the land was explained by picturing a bathtub tthat holds 300 gallons of water.From the 300 gallon mark to the 150 gallon mark there are a number of small holes drilled in the tub.The 150 gallons is the carrying capacity
The tub is filled with water up to the 300 gallon mark every spring.As soon as this is done,water slowly starts to leak out and will eventually leak down to the 150 gallon mark by the next spring.
Now if someone comes along and scoops out 10-20-30 or even 100 gallons of water out of the tub,after filling to 300 gallons ,the water will still leak down to the 150 gallon mark the same as it would if no water was taken out.
Now if more than 150 gallons of water is taken out say 250,then when you add the 150 gallons next spring the total will only be 200 gallons.This is equivalent to overharvest the seed animals affecting the animals available for harvest in the next year,maybe 2.

So as you can see the animals need to be kept in a balance to have the highest number of healthy animals on the landscape year to year available to harvest by the wildlife manager(trapper) to help pay for his job keeping the overall populations of the animals on the landscape in a prolonged healthy sustainable level in balance with the optimum carrying capacity as dictated by mother nature who provides surplusses that have to be used in order to keep the balance and the entire system healthy.
When things get out of balance like removing man as the top predator(manager) on the landscape then everything else suffers for it.

Just to add,a concientious wildlife manager(trapper) does not remove animals from the foodchain on the landscape.Trappers will "borrow" the animal only to take the fur(totally renewable natural resource). We will use the meat of some of those species that are suitable for human consumption as needed.The rest goes back into the food chain on the landscape,naturally,as part of the ecosystem.Many trappers often provide the carcasses to the animals long after trapping season in late winter when the times are lean and the carrying capacity is set-this will increase the carrying capacity of the land at this crucial time of year.

Better have that electric charge metered, LOL, I think a firefly puts out more amps, hee hee

I think What the Boss man did in letting that petr guy say his piece and have a dialog was straight up hospitable- It went on long enough- for everyone to say their piece-
After that , the Boss Man can do what ever he wants, It's His store- , Moving on!!


Be Kind too Others !

We keep LL's rattle snake teeth in the shop, in a pickle jar full of vinegar... right next to the shop vac.
We give 'em his teeth some days, and some days not, and still other days we turn the shop vac on full power, and suck 'em back up for his own good.

Leftlane is a wonderful example of passion in action.
Teeth or no teeth.

Blessings,
Mark

Great quote Left lane. Tombstone

I have killed a lot of fish and wildlife to support my family. Of course there is a lot of fish and wildlife to kill here since it is not a city. If you love wildlife, l don’t understand why you live in a city where the wildlife has been exterminated and the habitat destroyed? Just trying to learn.

FYI I can guarantee you I love wildlife more than you ever will.

Mr dobbins ain’t petr. BOCO is

I don’t think you are hard on yanks. Myside thinks you’re terrible apparently. I have some Michigan family and let me tell you it’s a different world up there!

Thank you Paul! He has been an annoying mosquito for a while.

Imagine if Mr. Dobbins had a moderator pretend to be Petr.

And you got so worked up over the situation you rage quit Trapperman.

Lesson I learned from "Petr"....


" Don't try and teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time, and it annoys the pig.” - anonymous

Trap the rats when they are thick, they might not be there next year, no matter what.

There's a certain romance of/in trapping, the fall of the year, apprehension of the next great catch and the money that will be made, given a good market. It's all about making money, and not answering to anybody. Independent of the "boss in the factory or on any job", doing your own thing, God of what you do and your surroundings but with respect to the nature of things in the renewable harvest paradigm .

I dont eat anything I catch, havent ever eaten a coon, muskrat, or beaver, or anything else, and recycle them back unto the land.

It's cultural, passed down through the generations.

I dont wear any fur, but I love my wool clothing.

Subsistence cultures have been under attack for along time now, in favor of socialism and controlled lifestyles.

And you got so worked up over the situation you rage quit Trapperman.

Lesson I learned from "Petr"....


" Don't try and teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time, and it annoys the pig.” - anonymous[/quote]

No, I don't have a moderator pretending to be Petr.

Doesnt take long for a "conspiracy theory" to pop up nowadays,lol.

Ok. Sorry.

Petr seemed so over the top I thought he might have been fake.

I very seldom post anything as the wisdom barrel passed by me when I was young and all I have learned is from corrections due to the wrong choices in life.

Very interesting thread to read and think about. One thing I have learned is when some one makes a statement I don't have to reply. Adrian Rogers, my hero, once said, "They have the right to be wrong."

Having been in the people business for over 45 years and have almost heard it all, I have come to a conclusion from hearing certain statements/opinions. If I had been born where they were, raised the way they were, subjected to what they have experienced, I would probably be more different and have stronger opinions than they are/have.

People say all kinds of statements. Unless the statement is about my wife, very few deserve answering. If they ask what is my opinion on the subject that gives me hope they are truly searching and then I will answer.

Mark June is right on target if it is spiritual warfare you must deal with it on that level and wisdom dealing with it must come from the Master.

Another hero of mine once said, "You can't fix stupid." Folks, I found out this is right on target and learned to save the energy for something constructive. So sorry to see one could not pass by the mud hole and he lost because of it.

At an early age in my Christian walk I would go visiting with an older Deacon. If we were invited in, he would kinda drop his bible on the coffee table and say, "Do you believe this is the Word of God?" Woe to the person who said no as the debate would start. We would eventually leave the home, sometimes asked to leave, and I'm sure the old Deacon would presume he had won the debate. But, we would leave with the folks in the house still lost and with out the knowledge of Christ. It is so easy to win the battle but loose the war.

Petr, You have strong convictions, state very strong "This will happen to you statements." Sorry sir, they are just opinions and amount to nothing.

Thank you Paul for what you have completed. What we have seen completed here is, what we also teach our children about how to handle life and crisis in the work place. May I examine my attitude and the way I teach others by what I say and express.

TrapperKent

Seems to be a number of theories going on , though the thought of a moderator playing that role wouldn't come into my mind in a million years - interesting

Good of you to apologize , but an apology also given to the moderator would be most appropriate , I'm sure ... eh, "comrade" ??