Problem with tundra ace
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01/22/21 05:25 PM
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lots of mink
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I had some problems this past week with my tundra 600 ace out in my hunting areas. I usually run in standard mode and was having the sled miss gas it seams like. Iam driving along and then for one second no power then it takes off and you hear the beep beep beep and check engine lite comes on. The engine does not stall it keeps running and immediately you can stay on throttle and it will take off. Today it got worse. I was starting to think I was gona be walking. In standard mode or eco mode it was really acting up. I never run it in sport mode and thought switch it to that. As soon as I did it ran straight home no problem. I could not cross a field without it acting up four or five times but when I switched to sport it drove straight back to town no problem.
Anyone had this problem before?
I was thinking it was not getting fuel but if that was the case the engine would quit. That does not happen it keeps running the whole time. I don’t believe the gas is contaminated blocking the fuel system as I went through all that this past spring and had the tank flushed, fuel filters replaced including the sock in the gas tank. At that time there was contaminated gas from an old slip tank but then the sled starved for gas so much it would just quit.
Iam thinking something electronic like the mode switch itself or the command module that communicates with the throttle switch.
I know it needs to be hooked up to computer but Iam alongway from dealership.
Last edited by lots of mink; 01/22/21 05:28 PM.
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/23/21 12:03 AM
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I had a similar experience with my 2019 Expedition 900 Ace last year. She would run just fine until it warmed up then start cutting out. If you shut it down and let it cool off, it would run fine. Had a heck of a time duplicating the issue for the Dealer. I told them it only did it after it warmed up. It didn't do it cold. Replaced the fuel pump and up and running again.
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/23/21 12:51 AM
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"JMO........Since I started trapping with a 1969 Olympic and have had Elans, Skandics, Tundras, Polaris and several 4 strokes. I came to the conclusion that the older SIMPLE machines were more reliable than the new electronic 4 strokes. "
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/23/21 12:29 PM
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Did you have your rope-along with and all your survival gear with just in case? I wonder why you bother to carry that stuff?
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/23/21 04:09 PM
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Also could be related to poor ground. check them and clean them.
Yes I also had a poor ground while this was happening. I double grounded the battery and that solved the problem. I think Skidoo may have corrected the issue but it seems like a few of the Skandics around 2017 were having grounding problems. Not sure if Tundras were as well.
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/23/21 08:21 PM
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Did you have your rope-along with and all your survival gear with just in case? I wonder why you bother to carry that stuff? Funny you should mention that I had to use my booster pack on my truck Wednesday, Lucky for me I had it with me for my 4-stroke (just in case) Made me laugh because I had just added it to my essential carry kit. Came out of the bush to a truck that wouldn't start. Hooked it up and it worked like a charm.
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
[Re: yukon254]
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01/24/21 10:28 AM
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I've heard so many stories like that Im glad I went back to a two stroke. Mine will go anywhere I need to go, but I still carry the rope along! If you are close to civilization those 4 strokes are nice, but if you are remote they can really cost you a lot in time and money. Yeah, but those 2 strokes cost you a lot of money also. I had to rebuild the secondary on my Bearcat and was using a 550 Tundra of a friends for a few days while I waited on parts. While riding around I got to figuring fuel costs in my head. I usually put about 5K on a snowmachine a year (less this year since we haven't had any winter yet). I've used that Tundra with the 550 in the past and I usually average 4-5 mpg in it. I've used some old Skandics with the 550 and I thought they did better, but I never checked mileage on them. I get 10-12 mpg in my 1100 4 stroke Bearcat, while my buddies SWT with a 900 Ace gets 19-20. Not as much experience with the 600 Ace but I've put several hundred miles on a couple Tundras with them in Wyoming and they got around 20 mpg. The only 2-stroke I've ever been around that got that was the 600 Etec; and then you're right back to the same issues as the 4-strokes, EFI, no pull start, lots of electronics. So if we figure it out at todays local gas prices, which are cheaper than they've been in the past and a lot cheaper than most of you in the bush are paying, it is about $2.25/gal, 5000 miles a year comes out at. 550 fan 1000 gallons= $2250 Bearcat Z1 500 gallons= $1150 600/900 ACE 250 gallons= $625 That saves a guy around $1625/year, which means in 5 years he has saved enough money on fuel in the 4 stroke to buy a brand new 550 Tundra and in seven years he has saved himself enough to buy a new Skandic 900 ACE. That doesn't even take into account the fact that on a wet sticky snow day, particularly when I'm breaking trail, I can't carry enough gas on the 550 to make a day of it, when a friend of mine used to hunt off of one regularly he would carry two 5 gallon cans, there were quite a few times when he would use both of them and have to borrow my 2.5 gallon can to make it back. . . while I went on hunting. All that being said, the 300 fan Tundras got about as good as my 4 stroke Bearcat (06-09, older models never got as good fuel mileage in my experience) but finding one of them that isn't worn out is a real trick. I don't like the no pull start backup on the 4 strokes, and the difficulty of working on them on the trail. But I've not had one leave me walking yet (well other than the time I put my Bearcat on its top in the creek without a comealong or winch, and I've walked out from a 2 stroke I've rolled over the mountain also.) Frankly I've seen less problems with Skidoo motors than the other brands, and less issues with their 4 strokes than their 2 strokes. But I don't like not being able to work on them with the little toolkit of 4 wrenchs and a screwdriver on the side of the trail. I sure wish they would make them easier to jury rig to get home, but I'll take the reliability and fuel mileage over the alternatives.
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/24/21 10:48 AM
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I've heard so many stories like that Im glad I went back to a two stroke. Mine will go anywhere I need to go, but I still carry the rope along! If you are close to civilization those 4 strokes are nice, but if you are remote they can really cost you a lot in time and money. Yeah, but those 2 strokes cost you a lot of money also. I had to rebuild the secondary on my Bearcat and was using a 550 Tundra of a friends for a few days while I waited on parts. While riding around I got to figuring fuel costs in my head. I usually put about 5K on a snowmachine a year (less this year since we haven't had any winter yet). I've used that Tundra with the 550 in the past and I usually average 4-5 mpg in it. I've used some old Skandics with the 550 and I thought they did better, but I never checked mileage on them. I get 10-12 mpg in my 1100 4 stroke Bearcat, while my buddies SWT with a 900 Ace gets 19-20. Not as much experience with the 600 Ace but I've put several hundred miles on a couple Tundras with them in Wyoming and they got around 20 mpg. The only 2-stroke I've ever been around that got that was the 600 Etec; and then you're right back to the same issues as the 4-strokes, EFI, no pull start, lots of electronics. So if we figure it out at todays local gas prices, which are cheaper than they've been in the past and a lot cheaper than most of you in the bush are paying, it is about $2.25/gal, 5000 miles a year comes out at. 550 fan 1000 gallons= $2250 Bearcat Z1 500 gallons= $1150 600/900 ACE 250 gallons= $625 That saves a guy around $1625/year, which means in 5 years he has saved enough money on fuel in the 4 stroke to buy a brand new 550 Tundra and in seven years he has saved himself enough to buy a new Skandic 900 ACE. That doesn't even take into account the fact that on a wet sticky snow day, particularly when I'm breaking trail, I can't carry enough gas on the 550 to make a day of it, when a friend of mine used to hunt off of one regularly he would carry two 5 gallon cans, there were quite a few times when he would use both of them and have to borrow my 2.5 gallon can to make it back. . . while I went on hunting. All that being said, the 300 fan Tundras got about as good as my 4 stroke Bearcat (06-09, older models never got as good fuel mileage in my experience) but finding one of them that isn't worn out is a real trick. I don't like the no pull start backup on the 4 strokes, and the difficulty of working on them on the trail. But I've not had one leave me walking yet (well other than the time I put my Bearcat on its top in the creek without a comealong or winch, and I've walked out from a 2 stroke I've rolled over the mountain also.) Frankly I've seen less problems with Skidoo motors than the other brands, and less issues with their 4 strokes than their 2 strokes. But I don't like not being able to work on them with the little toolkit of 4 wrenchs and a screwdriver on the side of the trail. I sure wish they would make them easier to jury rig to get home, but I'll take the reliability and fuel mileage over the alternatives. Did you cumulate the added cost of the injection oil? Two jugs of oil here was $96. As we get old it gets harder to move onto new equipment that we don't understand. Looks like Mike's problem was a bad ground, his battery ground terminal was loose and his ground to his machine was corroded. He is testing on a run today.
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/24/21 11:03 AM
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They have a two stroke now that gets similar fuel economy to 4 stroke and it ain't skidoo. Supertech cost about $15 a gallon.
The reason they started using 4 stokes in Sno-go's was pollution, not performance.
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/24/21 01:41 PM
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I've heard so many stories like that Im glad I went back to a two stroke. Mine will go anywhere I need to go, but I still carry the rope along! If you are close to civilization those 4 strokes are nice, but if you are remote they can really cost you a lot in time and money. Yeah, but those 2 strokes cost you a lot of money also. I had to rebuild the secondary on my Bearcat and was using a 550 Tundra of a friends for a few days while I waited on parts. While riding around I got to figuring fuel costs in my head. I usually put about 5K on a snowmachine a year (less this year since we haven't had any winter yet). I've used that Tundra with the 550 in the past and I usually average 4-5 mpg in it. I've used some old Skandics with the 550 and I thought they did better, but I never checked mileage on them. I get 10-12 mpg in my 1100 4 stroke Bearcat, while my buddies SWT with a 900 Ace gets 19-20. Not as much experience with the 600 Ace but I've put several hundred miles on a couple Tundras with them in Wyoming and they got around 20 mpg. The only 2-stroke I've ever been around that got that was the 600 Etec; and then you're right back to the same issues as the 4-strokes, EFI, no pull start, lots of electronics. So if we figure it out at todays local gas prices, which are cheaper than they've been in the past and a lot cheaper than most of you in the bush are paying, it is about $2.25/gal, 5000 miles a year comes out at. 550 fan 1000 gallons= $2250 Bearcat Z1 500 gallons= $1150 600/900 ACE 250 gallons= $625 That saves a guy around $1625/year, which means in 5 years he has saved enough money on fuel in the 4 stroke to buy a brand new 550 Tundra and in seven years he has saved himself enough to buy a new Skandic 900 ACE. That doesn't even take into account the fact that on a wet sticky snow day, particularly when I'm breaking trail, I can't carry enough gas on the 550 to make a day of it, when a friend of mine used to hunt off of one regularly he would carry two 5 gallon cans, there were quite a few times when he would use both of them and have to borrow my 2.5 gallon can to make it back. . . while I went on hunting. All that being said, the 300 fan Tundras got about as good as my 4 stroke Bearcat (06-09, older models never got as good fuel mileage in my experience) but finding one of them that isn't worn out is a real trick. I don't like the no pull start backup on the 4 strokes, and the difficulty of working on them on the trail. But I've not had one leave me walking yet (well other than the time I put my Bearcat on its top in the creek without a comealong or winch, and I've walked out from a 2 stroke I've rolled over the mountain also.) Frankly I've seen less problems with Skidoo motors than the other brands, and less issues with their 4 strokes than their 2 strokes. But I don't like not being able to work on them with the little toolkit of 4 wrenchs and a screwdriver on the side of the trail. I sure wish they would make them easier to jury rig to get home, but I'll take the reliability and fuel mileage over the alternatives. No doubt the 4-strokes gets good milage. The problem I have seen is that when you have a problem you cant fix, then you are paying $110 hour shop rates. That discounts any savings you have gotten in milage. My new VK540 with the heated carb gets the same or better milage as the 900 ace. I've traveled with them enough to get a good comparison. The 600 ace does get better though.
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/24/21 01:55 PM
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/24/21 02:01 PM
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Yeah, but those 2 strokes cost you a lot of money also. I had to rebuild the secondary on my Bearcat and was using a 550 Tundra of a friends for a few days while I waited on parts. While riding around I got to figuring fuel costs in my head. I usually put about 5K on a snowmachine a year (less this year since we haven't had any winter yet). I've used that Tundra with the 550 in the past and I usually average 4-5 mpg in it. I've used some old Skandics with the 550 and I thought they did better, but I never checked mileage on them. I get 10-12 mpg in my 1100 4 stroke Bearcat, while my buddies SWT with a 900 Ace gets 19-20. Not as much experience with the 600 Ace but I've put several hundred miles on a couple Tundras with them in Wyoming and they got around 20 mpg. The only 2-stroke I've ever been around that got that was the 600 Etec; and then you're right back to the same issues as the 4-strokes, EFI, no pull start, lots of electronics.
So if we figure it out at todays local gas prices, which are cheaper than they've been in the past and a lot cheaper than most of you in the bush are paying, it is about $2.25/gal, 5000 miles a year comes out at.
550 fan 1000 gallons= $2250 Bearcat Z1 500 gallons= $1150 600/900 ACE 250 gallons= $625
That saves a guy around $1625/year, which means in 5 years he has saved enough money on fuel in the 4 stroke to buy a brand new 550 Tundra and in seven years he has saved himself enough to buy a new Skandic 900 ACE.
That doesn't even take into account the fact that on a wet sticky snow day, particularly when I'm breaking trail, I can't carry enough gas on the 550 to make a day of it, when a friend of mine used to hunt off of one regularly he would carry two 5 gallon cans, there were quite a few times when he would use both of them and have to borrow my 2.5 gallon can to make it back. . . while I went on hunting.
All that being said, the 300 fan Tundras got about as good as my 4 stroke Bearcat (06-09, older models never got as good fuel mileage in my experience) but finding one of them that isn't worn out is a real trick. I don't like the no pull start backup on the 4 strokes, and the difficulty of working on them on the trail. But I've not had one leave me walking yet (well other than the time I put my Bearcat on its top in the creek without a comealong or winch, and I've walked out from a 2 stroke I've rolled over the mountain also.)
Frankly I've seen less problems with Skidoo motors than the other brands, and less issues with their 4 strokes than their 2 strokes. But I don't like not being able to work on them with the little toolkit of 4 wrenchs and a screwdriver on the side of the trail. I sure wish they would make them easier to jury rig to get home, but I'll take the reliability and fuel mileage over the alternatives.
No doubt the 4-strokes gets good milage. The problem I have seen is that when you have a problem you cant fix, then you are paying $110 hour shop rates. That discounts any savings you have gotten in milage. My new VK540 with the heated carb gets the same or better milage as the 900 ace. I've traveled with them enough to get a good comparison. The 600 ace does get better though. If you can even get it to the shop. I can see several scenarios where the machine might rust away right where it quit
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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01/24/21 02:38 PM
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Everytime I have had an issue even close to what you describe it has been a fuel pump issue
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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I've had that problem. Fix was to replace the filter on the fuel pump. You can do it w/out removing the pump. I've also replaced the filter and pump on a 900 which began to exhibit the problem after 15,000 miles.
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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I have the older 600 ACE WT with the throttle cable. Just last month my machine was throwing the check engine light with beep beep beep. I switched out my Throttle position sensor and it’s been running fine since. If you have a buddy with the same engine might be worth it to switch his out with yours to see if that’s the problem. Broken wires going into the sensors on the throttle body would be worth looking at
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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I have the older 600 ACE WT with the throttle cable. Just last month my machine was throwing the check engine light with beep beep beep. I switched out my Throttle position sensor and it’s been running fine since. If you have a buddy with the same engine might be worth it to switch his out with yours to see if that’s the problem. Broken wires going into the sensors on the throttle body would be worth looking at But mine would not go past 10 MPH. Before I figured it out, luckily for me there are a few dead machines in my village to scavenge parts from
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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There are some things that should never have computers in them, snow machines, and single-engine airplanes. Why don't you see computers in light airplanes? Or at least they don't seem to be standard if there are some.
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Re: Problem with tundra ace
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Waggler Drones are all computerized and transmit to China! Along with your tv and cellphone, zoom, TicToc and some in the political class...LOL
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