Re: Less fur fewer turkey?
[Re: claycreech]
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04/14/21 10:46 AM
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Declining turkey populations are occurring nearly everywhere. Missouri’s turkey numbers are a fraction of what it was 15 years ago. In the heyday turkey could be found in marginal habitat. Not anymore. Only the best has a few birds, and even then they aren’t in any numbers. In our county we used to kill around 800 turkey during a spring season. Now we check less than 300. Conservation Department acts like they could care less. We still have a fall shotgun season during which you can potentially and legally kill 2 hens. Fall archery deer hunters can potentially and legally kill 2 hens. Why they won’t stop all harvest of hens is beyond stupid. Cutting edge wildlife management. You don’t need a PHD, just common sense to protect hens when the population is so low. This certainly isn’t the only answer, but it’s a regulation change that makes sense and would give the appearance that the Conservation Department gives a crap about our turkey populations and not just about selling permits. Not here in Ky got turkeys in almost every hay field.
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Re: Less fur fewer turkey?
[Re: Scooby]
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04/14/21 10:48 AM
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One problem is all the corn that gets fed to deer in the south now. Millions of pounds of food now available to all the animals in the woods. Creates larger predator populations and very few people putting forth any effort to control them. I believe that GA and Alabama are starting turkey season a week later next year to allow the more mature toms longer to mate before the hunters can get them. Jakes can breed them if the tom doesn't whip his butt . So lack of toms not a miniscule reason for lower numbers.
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Re: Less fur fewer turkey?
[Re: GROUSEWIT]
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04/14/21 10:58 AM
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The turkey population in PA is going down fast and the Fisher and Bobcat population are on the rise. Then throw in the uncontrolled avian predator population too.
But it's the habitat!!!!
Maybe there is no correlation but the turkey population near me nosedived as the bobcat numbers increased. I did see six hens this morning near my cabin which was encouraging but there where thirty hens in there three or four years ago. Last year I saw a solitary hen, period. Edit Fisher numbers seem to be way up as well. Never really thought of them as much of a threat to the turkey population but I don't know.
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Re: Less fur fewer turkey?
[Re: Jiggamitch]
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04/14/21 11:04 AM
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Didn't have this problem until some really bored guy somewhere introduced the ultimate predator: the almighty .410 with TSS 9 shot! Just ask those guys on the internet lol....
Trash your goals and plans for life. Just wing it and you'll never be let down!
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Re: Less fur fewer turkey?
[Re: Jiggamitch]
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04/14/21 12:52 PM
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As others have mentioned, the turkey population decreasing is due to a multitude of factors. I do believe that larger/increasing predator populations make a big difference with nesting success. Less trappers catching coon, skunk, fox, coyotes, bobcat and the highly sought after opossum can only cause the turkey population to decline IMO.
Chris
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Re: Less fur fewer turkey?
[Re: Jiggamitch]
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04/14/21 03:59 PM
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Just because a chunk of land is left "wild" doesn't mean its Good turkey habitat. As time goes on, say 20 years, Habitat quality will decrease if trees are allowed to over take the brush and open tall grassy areas and turn them into forest.
Heavy thinning of forests, burning of grassy areas and woodlands are all good for Turkey habitat.
Same with Deer, Not all chunks of "wild" and are equal in deer habitat. Again, thinning of the forest, bushy grassy areas are better than mature forest.
bblwi, lack of oaks is due to primarily 2 things in E central WI, high deer population and too dense of forest. White Oaks will not regenerate in a mature forest. They need sunlight unlike Sugar Maples and Beech. Want more Oaks? thin the deer herd and clear cut chunks of forest. cutting only won't do it. Many hard wood forest in our area have mature White Oaks but zero seedling/sapling Oaks. Once the mature Oaks are gone there are not any younger oaks for the next generation.
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Re: Less fur fewer turkey?
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04/14/21 04:25 PM
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Very few places have more raccoons than Iowa and we have a crapload of turkeys. I saw 3 road-killed in an 8 mile stretch of hwy yesterday just out of town. FWIW, at my farm in SE Iowa I estimate that we have 10%-15% of the turkey population now as opposed to 12+ years ago...and that estimate might be high. I hear exactly the same thing from people all over Davis and Van Buren Counties, where I know a lot of people.
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Re: Less fur fewer turkey?
[Re: Jiggamitch]
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04/14/21 05:15 PM
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In the 60's we had real big flocks of turkies in northern PA. Then they started protecting hawks and owls. (Bye bye pole traps) Next was introducing fishers. Bobcats getting more plentiful enough to start a hunting an trapping season. Coyotes getting more plentiful. No fur mkt-big increase of nest raiders-skunks, coon, & possums.
But its the habitat-gotta quit beating this dead horse!!!
NRALIFER,PRPA LIFER,HUNTER,FURTAKER
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Re: Less fur fewer turkey?
[Re: Jiggamitch]
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04/14/21 10:54 PM
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I had a nwtf biologists come to my place. My complaint was turkeys weren’t staying around in the spring. They would usually stay during the winter and roost in the pines. He suggested to me I need better habitat for them. We drew up a plan to clear 8 acres and plant in grasses. I just got finished this year and seeded the first of March. I can report already that I have seen several turkeys feeding in it. I’m getting pictures of strutting Tom’s and five to six hens feeding all hours of the day. I do my best to keep all the predators thinned.
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