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Re: Coddled America [Re: nh toe pincher] #7327455
08/11/21 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
employers wont raise pay rates. if they offered more money and benefits the whole "cant find any help" story goes away. American blue collar workers have been defunded and our benefits have slowly been chiseled down to near nothing. I work two jobs, have for most of my life & it ain't like we live high on the hog. class A cdl & heavy equipment operator.

Wow! You're skilled labor working two jobs to make ends meet from the sound of it. If you lived around here, you'd easily make big bucks with that occupation.

The local McDonalds has a sign in our town, starting pay is $13 per hour. They still can't find anyone will to work to fry burgers. Not exactly what I would call skilled labor. Our local Dollar store will pay $15 per hour to run a cash register. No takers. As a result, they are only open about 6 hours a day 5 days a week. Seems to me, that's pretty good pay for unskilled labor.

People would rather sit home, draw their unemployment and stimulus money than work. If you're really not living high on the hog, you ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until the government wants those who did work, like you and me to start paying back the money they put out for these freeloaders.


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Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327472
08/11/21 12:21 PM
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but what good is 15 dollars an hour if a happy meal costs you half that?
i live and work in rural NH. those 4000k a week operating engineer jobs are not found in rural America. if i wanted to drive into boston I could land a job paying comparable wages but I would rather not. the further out from any larger metro city you get, the lower the pay scale. at least in new england.

Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327474
08/11/21 12:24 PM
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job Fair here locally today

1000+ jobs available



1000+ jobs in central Oregon?? Really?? What kind of jobs? Just curious, not looking for a fight. Thanks


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Re: Coddled America [Re: Squash] #7327476
08/11/21 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Squash
Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
employers wont raise pay rates. if they offered more money and benefits the whole "cant find any help" story goes away. American blue collar workers have been defunded and our benefits have slowly been chiseled down to near nothing. I work two jobs, have for most of my life & it ain't like we live high on the hog. class A cdl & heavy equipment operator.


I don’t know where you work, but my deer hunting partner is a operating engineer for a construction company and he grosses over $4000/ week.
How much more would someone have to have to go back to work ??
IMO it has nothing to do with how much an employer can pay, it’s about no work ethic today, and easier to suck the government teet.

How many more operating engineers is your partner's construction company looking to hire?

Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327480
08/11/21 12:36 PM
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Lots of good guys out there but as others have said lots of ones who don't want to work. Some employers may be increases compensation but not all. For the last 12 months it's been a constant battle with our HR department to increase compensation for job posting because we're not attracting qualified candidates. Why come work for us only making $20/hr when you can work retail/food services for $18 with very little responsibility and stress?

This didn't just start with the current administration's free money give away, remember it started with the previous and now every politician wants to buy votes.

Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327482
08/11/21 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
employers wont raise pay rates. if they offered more money and benefits the whole "cant find any help" story goes away. American blue collar workers have been defunded and our benefits have slowly been chiseled down to near nothing. I work two jobs, have for most of my life & it ain't like we live high on the hog. class A cdl & heavy equipment operator.



So a guy willing to sit home and milk the system should get extra pay to get off the couch ?

Lol......I say chop the hand outs and let em starve

I'm with you man! "No workie...no eatie".


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Re: Coddled America [Re: Trapper7] #7327576
08/11/21 03:06 PM
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I believe you can pay these people $50/hour and still no takers. Shut off the gravy train and let's see what happens!

Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327589
08/11/21 03:22 PM
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Our HR department has a stat posted stating 35% of job applicants are failing their pre-employment screenings. I'm assuming that's drug testing. We've been understaffed since the COVID outbreak started and government dangled the additional $300 a week in unemployment benefits. It takes months being on the job before a new employee becomes more of a help than a hindrance.

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Re: Coddled America [Re: nh toe pincher] #7327626
08/11/21 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
but what good is 15 dollars an hour if a happy meal costs you half that?
i live and work in rural NH. those 4000k a week operating engineer jobs are not found in rural America. if i wanted to drive into boston I could land a job paying comparable wages but I would rather not. the further out from any larger metro city you get, the lower the pay scale. at least in new england.


Not true, pay scale is pay scale in NY, regardless where the job is. Northern NY is pretty rural and that’s where my friend works. He is currently working in Potsdam, NY. A long way from places like Boston or NYC. And not that far from NH.

Loosegoose, my friends company is looking for end dump drivers and other operators and cant find enough help.

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Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327670
08/11/21 05:30 PM
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it is true. NY like Massachusetts is a strong union state. NH is not. you have no clue if your not from here. your deer camp buddies good paying job will be there for awhile & then gone. he'll likely have to move or be willing to travel to keep his job. my full time job is union by the way. NH union rates ain't squat compared to MASS or NY.

Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327727
08/11/21 06:47 PM
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As far as I am concerned if you stopped working at the start of the lockdown. And aren’t working now. Stay home. Employers are learning to do more with less. You as a consumer will learn to do without. And you who refuse to work. Nobody wants you. And that is a fact!!! Wages are high. The unemployed have become non hireable. Technology passed them along the way. We worked. They took walks. We worked overtime. They stayed up late watching TV. No one owes anyone a living. Your hand out is drying up.

Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327728
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It’s not about pay. It is pure laziness

Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327768
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This crap will not stop at least not in blue Demo states. People are to use to the hand out. I live in a 65 unit apartment complex now. The owners ( man and wife ) sold it last month. 11 of the units people have not paid their rent for 13 months. And the renters all are working and never was out of a job. Old owners Said it was time to get out of rental property. They said they will never get paid. So might as well get out now. MD

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Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327804
08/11/21 08:12 PM
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I worked right through the lock down. never missed a day. people who went on unemployment made 10K of their benefits tax free. those of us who stayed working didnt even get a break on 10k of our earned income. one of my coworkers wife does tax prep and that is a fact. its disgusting.

Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327813
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All true what you guys are saying. But the non working group will pay dearly. I had an employee who left us during the lockdown. We offered her a job about a month ago. With better pay. She refused our offer. All good. Then I get an email from a prospect employer stating I was a reference for her. She never asked me to be a reference. I just deleted it. Entitled. They are entitled to everything they EARN!!!! ZERO!!!! X ZERO. Is still 00000!!!!!!!!!

Re: Coddled America [Re: wissmiss] #7327817
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Originally Posted by AntiGov
job Fair here locally today

1000+ jobs available



1000+ jobs in central Oregon?? Really?? What kind of jobs? Just curious, not looking for a fight. Thanks


1000 openings is just a drop in the bucket . This was just the needs between the two companies hosting the job fair . When was the last time you were in central Oregon ? This place has gotten too big for my liking . I considered moving to Idaho but I hear it's too late ....... Idaho is wrecked

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Re: Coddled America [Re: Squash] #7327819
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Originally Posted by Squash
Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
employers wont raise pay rates. if they offered more money and benefits the whole "cant find any help" story goes away. American blue collar workers have been defunded and our benefits have slowly been chiseled down to near nothing. I work two jobs, have for most of my life & it ain't like we live high on the hog. class A cdl & heavy equipment operator.


I don’t know where you work, but my deer hunting partner is a operating engineer for a construction company and he grosses over $4000/ week.
How much more would someone have to have to go back to work ??
IMO it has nothing to do with how much an employer can pay, it’s about no work ethic today, and easier to suck the government teet.



12 k a month is not common around here. I'm driving 2.5 hrs to work and stay there during my work week. I make 26$per hr. Not rock star wages by any means. So why would I drive so far? Because in the 4 years since we moved to my farm I have not found a single job close to my pay AND benefits. I will give you an example.

I was offered a job at a plant 30 miles north of me this week. By all accounts the best paying job in the area.

That pay 13.38 and get a weekly bonus production pay between 70-80% do 22-25 per hr for average. BUT $216 more per month for health insurance and I will be at a 10-20k year end less on pay. I also will not get any pension just a 401k. So I will decline and keep driving and being gone half a month.

You see there are jobs everywhere but they pay little and benefits are expensive and poor coverage. If there was something compatible I would change jobs yesterday.

Just because you know someone that makes good money dose not mean that's common or available everywhere.


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Re: Coddled America [Re: nh toe pincher] #7327823
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Originally Posted by nh toe pincher
it is true. NY like Massachusetts is a strong union state. NH is not. you have no clue if your not from here. your deer camp buddies good paying job will be there for awhile & then gone. he'll likely have to move or be willing to travel to keep his job. my full time job is union by the way. NH union rates ain't squat compared to MASS or NY.


His job is secure , has worked for this major construction company for many years, they are non-union, he is ready to retire, has nearly 1 million $ in his pension plan, he’s not moving anywhere. The only thing you are correct in your assumptions about my friend, is he does have to travel around the state to where the work is. If it’s so bad where you are ,Maybe you should move out of NH ?

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Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7327958
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If you don’t have adequate work or a good paying job. YOU MOVE. Plain and simple. Your responsibility to find work and a good paying job. No one else. Not sure why people can’t grasp the concept!!! I don’t understand why it is mine or someone else’s responsibility!!!! Can someone explain this to me please????

Re: Coddled America [Re: AntiGov] #7328024
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you may very well have ubi soon.....heck, we really do already. there are 10 million jobs available and 8 million people on max ui benefits for a year or more plus all the other freebies/cheese they can get.

it really cannot continue forever......but it may till at least 2030....its a disgrace....just like the federal government.


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