Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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I believe the responsibility must ultimately rest with the person who is the last line of defense...The operator of the gun is where the most attention should be.
Imagine a master mechanic calling on the grease boy to hand him a quart of oil, but instead he hands him a quart of transmission fluid, resulting in engine damage...Who to blame?
I'm going with the last line of defense every time....Yeah, the grease boy screwed up, but the master mechanic was negligent by not confirming the grease boys selection of fluids...The buck stops with the master mechanic.
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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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Baldwin all the way. When you cause a bullet to leave the barrel , you and you alone own it.
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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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Even Alec's cat is scared of him. His cat "went missing" after the incident ^^Lol^^
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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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Ultimately the fault lies with Baldwin. It will be involuntary manslaughter at most.
The thing with movie sets is that no actor ever checks the weapon they are handed. Some of those "prop guns" set ups will be ruined by being opened and checked after the armorer has "set the weapon". They rely solely on the armorer and the prop master for making sure those guns are safe to be used.
I think the armorer and the person who handed him the weapon bear a lot of the responsibility. The person who handed him the weapon has a history of weapons accidents.
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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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Even Alec's cat is scared of him. His cat "went missing" after the incident Epstein didn't kill himself.
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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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Before I retired, we used to do force on force scenario based training using non-lethal training ammunition, the training guns were all modified to only accept the NLTA ammunition. In order to prevent a possible training accident the training area was independently checked by at least 3 people to insure there were no real weapons in the training area. The training area was set up to have only one way in and out and a person was posted at that point to insure no one entered or left. that we didn't know about. The trainees were instructed to empty their duty belts, vests and pockets of everything except their handcuffs and a key. When they entered the training area there were visually checked to insure they had done this they then went to the next station where they were checked with a magnetometer to insure nothing was missed. Only then were they issued their training firearm, NLTA ammuniton, inert OC an inert taser, and a training baton. Prior to leaving this station each round of NLTA ammunition was inspected by an instructor and the trainee to insure that there were only NLTA rounds in the box. After checking umpteen boxes of NLTA ammunition, we never found anything but NLTA ammo in the boxes but we continued to check and one day, we actually found some rounds that the company manufactures for shooting steel targets at extremely close range in one of the boxes so it just reinforced this step that many thought was a waste of time.
I would think that a movie set would have as strict or even stricter safety protocols in place but apparently not, it is a tragedy but totally preventable. I can't imagine why they would be mixing live ammo with the blank ammo used in the prop guns but apparently they had and were actually using those guns for live fire practice earlier. It seems that there were some serious flaws in their safety procedure's, I did see one article that stated that actors were prohibited from checking the prop guns when they were given them for safety reasons, I found that kind of ironic that you couldn't preform a safety check on the firearm you had just been handed, "for safety reasons"
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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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I wonder if he will make fun of himself on Saturday Night live?
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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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Before I retired, we used to do force on force scenario based training using non-lethal training ammunition, the training guns were all modified to only accept the NLTA ammunition. In order to prevent a possible training accident the training area was independently checked by at least 3 people to insure there were no real weapons in the training area. The training area was set up to have only one way in and out and a person was posted at that point to insure no one entered or left. that we didn't know about. The trainees were instructed to empty their duty belts, vests and pockets of everything except their handcuffs and a key. When they entered the training area there were visually checked to insure they had done this they then went to the next station where they were checked with a magnetometer to insure nothing was missed. Only then were they issued their training firearm, NLTA ammuniton, inert OC an inert taser, and a training baton. Prior to leaving this station each round of NLTA ammunition was inspected by an instructor and the trainee to insure that there were only NLTA rounds in the box. After checking umpteen boxes of NLTA ammunition, we never found anything but NLTA ammo in the boxes but we continued to check and one day, we actually found some rounds that the company manufactures for shooting steel targets at extremely close range in one of the boxes so it just reinforced this step that many thought was a waste of time.
I would think that a movie set would have as strict or even stricter safety protocols in place but apparently not, it is a tragedy but totally preventable. I can't imagine why they would be mixing live ammo with the blank ammo used in the prop guns but apparently they had and were actually using those guns for live fire practice earlier. It seems that there were some serious flaws in their safety procedure's, I did see one article that stated that actors were prohibited from checking the prop guns when they were given them for safety reasons, I found that kind of ironic that you couldn't preform a safety check on the firearm you had just been handed, "for safety reasons" You would be shocked at the across the board lack of safety on set. Schedule and budget is everything. NDAs cover up almost everything except a fatality.
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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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Alec , the Director , assistant director and the Armorer are all guilty of negligence resulting in death and very likely other crimes.
here is why
this was the 4th ND negligent discharge on set the head armorer had already quit
this entire movie was a rushed job and pushing low budget over safety
several things were very wrong
it seems they purchased off the shelf guns at a gun store , and not a reputable prop company
they then did not secure those firearms and the crew was apparently taking them out into the desert and shooting live amunition
they were possibly not using true inert ammunition for loading scenes
they were using live ammo to train people how to shoot also
there was live ammo mixed with blanks
no live ammunition should be on set period
the armorer should have checked the gun then watched Baldwin check the gun then start rolling the scene however this was a rehearsal at that point so an inert gun should have been used at that time.
so besides the fact that in absolutely every thing gun the person pulling the trigger has the final responsibility
Baldwin was the producer of the film or one of them and the one that was on set
if that isn't enough at the first ND absolutely every gun and every round on that set should have been collected up and inspected leaving zero live rounds on the set any where
they didn't do that by the 4th ND and it cost some one their life
back to who purchased the guns , who owned them?
there are reputable prop gun providers they modify real guns to only fire blanks , they appear to have chosen not to use one of these companies.
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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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So if you let Alec use you vehicle and he killed someone with it who’s fault would it be? He pretends to be a gun expert when he speaks gun control if Trump did what he did what would Baldwin be saying today.
It’s tough to have empathy for a person that has none for others. They told him not to talk and he talked to the press for3 minutes that says a lot about his makeup. Narcissistic would be a easy guess.
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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case
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?? The movie was supposed to be a western?? Wasn't the gun a semi auto?? Must of been a modern western in an old time setting?? IMO, baldwin is an arrogant, no it all, second rate movie star, creep. Hope he is judged by a group of 12 peers.
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