Why do you disparage believers danny? Routinely and repeatedly? Words like magic are not accurate so I don't know why you toss that and the word "myth" around?
Orthodox theism accepts science but just differs on whose in charge: God or humans.

Scientism can't answer 5 key questions that theism does answer;

1. The origin of the Universe
2. The origin of the fundamental laws of nature
3. The fine-tuning seen in nature
4. The origin of consciousness
5. The origin of moral, rational and objective properties.

When you look under the hood of most atheists, you'll find a bent against God more than a search for truth, and that's why so many liberal physicists and scholars after 70 solid years of declaring God dead and professing human effort as the answer to all things, are back peddling at alarming rates this century.
Wait till the Gen-Z'ers come into power. They have little admiration for polarized baby boomer generation scientism that places academia ahead of the search for truth.

Just pointing out it's a big world and there are more and more naturalists claiming that the complexity of what science has discovered in the last 50 years isn't by random chance.
It won't talk anyone into being a believer (not how the Gospel works anyway)....but it has helped zip the lips of the pompous scoffers that are well entrenched in academic circles.
There's a major science expo in Fort Worth this weekend where scientists from around the globe will present and core in that these last few years is a group known as the Intelligent Design scientists.
Some are theists, but not most.
The more we learn, the more we learn what we don't know.

Blessings,
Mark

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

So you are assuming other species can't hear then? If your house blew away in a storm while you were gone is it still gone when you come back?

Bryce

Its not believers I disparage its the belief. Despite claims to the contrary what you are talking about is the very definition of magic. The same kinds of stories YOU disparage when told by practitioners of a different religion.

You're wrong sir. You won't find me lumping the people in with their belief as I write about the differences on this forum. I enjoy walking alongside people of all sorts of faiths each week, every week as a matter of fact. I don't have to agree with everything they do, but they're made in God's image, so I grin and bear it often.

I wonder, would you be able to make space for followers of Christ on an Internet forum because it is the dominant faith in our land, though much ridiculed and called "dead" by Time Magazine in 1968.

You know, come to think of it, besides cell phones, more expensive trucks, and better "stuff," I wonder how well us baby boomers in these USA have handed the next generations morals, ethics, and respect for all other humans? Personally, I agree with those who argue very strongly that when you jettison the God of the Bible, and the Christian moorings of historical morality, civility, and human dignity, you get what you asked for.... and are seeing more and more each year. The morality ship is cut loose and is drifting all over where more and more people say the F word and pridefully tell others how it's more than good for me to get mine, and screw them. I pastorally support adolescent suicides in PICU units and I will tell you, this type of lifestyle is killing our kids. They look around and say, see ya.

Forgive us danny, as believers we do the best they can to respect others who say "this" is all there is, and when you die, face facts, you're dead. There is nothing else.
The atheist view is a selfish view at a heart level, because there is no one else to answer to. God gives grace to all he creates, so we're alive and there is a perception of what is good and bad, right and wrong in each of us, but it's atheist evolutionist's all agree that can not come from the monkey tree because evolution by itself can't perpetuate a humble heart (according to Darwin and Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins). It engineers a selfish aggressive nature that propels a species forward.
Wonderful.

Or allow us as believers to sit among the vast types of pantheists, Buddhists and more, who believe that all atoms are god including us, so the greatest human achievement is to leave this body, which is corrupt and to become like god, transcendent and in all things. Heck, I don't really want to reincarnate and be a coyote cause any number of good trappers on this forum would catch me, super easy.

Your wounds by the hands of the Christian faith seem deep, but those grievances were at the hands of humans, not God.
Believers have never been perfect, and it's a really good thing God REALLY doesn't do away with ALL evil on earth because every one of us has sinned, so that'd be another que the flood moment and we'd be down to crickets on earth. He didn't send another flood. He sent HIs only Son.
Thank God.

Prayers for all including you
Blessings!
Mark

I dont allow you anything. In order to allow you need the ability to deny. Even if I had that ability I wouldn’t exorcise it.
You ought to quit with your assumptions

Your thesis is that in order to allow you need the ability to deny ? Help me with that. I don't make that connection.
I believe someone can allow without any strings attached, unless at the core, the one "allowing" feels they alone have the control stick in their hands, and the other person doesn't.
Am I wrong?

Blessings,
Mark