No its simple. Actions vs consequences. More armed people = more chance of harm to murdering swine. Murdering swine are normally cowards and prefer unarmed victims. So they chose gun free zones and places with heavy restrictions on law abiding people. Criminals dont mind breaking the law so they still have guns and no threat to themself from their unarmed victoms..

If one in 10 are armed vs 1 out of thousand in another area the criminals will gravitate to where there is less risk to themself. Basic economics 101 cost vs benifit.

While I agree that allowing teachers to be armed is a sensible approach, one of the most overlooked, IMO, options for preventing school shootings is metal detectors. You have to go through one to get on a plane, or go into a courthouse, or any number of other places.... why not schools?

I agree.

What's next.. grocery stores ? ....

No because anyone has the right to protect themselves in a grocery store. No one does in a school. If you're going to use the law to herd a bunch of defenseless children into one small space, I see nothing wrong with a simple measure like that to protect them. If metal detectors would prevent even 50% of school shootings, you think those of us who support the 2A would be all for them.

Metal detectors are not the answer.

This sounds simple, but then schools would have to be operated like a secure area. It would take a lot of money and loss of freedom of movement to make schools a secure area. Then there is the constant in and out of students, especially at the high school level that would be slowed to a crawl going through metal detectors. Is the cost to make every school a secure area worth the benefit of possibly eliminating these rare possibilities of a school shooting in the school?

No because anyone has the right to protect themselves in a grocery store. No one does in a school. If you're going to use the law to herd a bunch of defenseless children into one small space, I see nothing wrong with a simple measure like that to protect them. If metal detectors would prevent even 50% of school shootings, you think those of us who support the 2A would be all for them.[/quote]


Thats complancy training and they are easily defeted.

There were detecters at the state fair yet i walked through with my 4" knife and 380. But it makes the sheep feel better.

Im no criminal but if this country hick can do it im sure every practiced criminal can.

Dirt, I stand corrected. I actually meant 15th but my mistake, I’ll own it. You are likely number one for gun owning freedoms, but clearly that freedom comes with a consequence.

Nope. We’r # 1.

The report is the most comprehensive freedom index created, using 76 indicators of freedom to measure the freedom of 162 countries using the most recent year for which sufficient data are available. Some of the indicators used are:

Rule of Law
Security and Safety
Identity and Relationships
Size of Government
Legal System and Property Rights
Access to Sound Money
Freedom to Trade Internationally
Expression and Information
Religion
Movement
Association, Assembly, and Civil Society
The Human Freedom Index places each country on a scale of 0 to 10, where a score of 10 represents the most freedom, for personal freedom and economic freedom. Each country’s human freedom index is an average of the two.

Personal freedom is the freedom of an individual to have freedom of opinion and expression, freedom to come and go, equality before the courts, and security of private property. Economic freedom consists of personal choice, freedom to compete in markets, protection of person and property, voluntary exchange, and allowing people to prosper without intervention from the government or economic authority.

The ten countries with the highest human freedom indexes (the freest countries in the world) are:

New Zealand 8.88
Switzerland 8.82
Hong Kong 8.81
Canada 8.65
Australia 8.62
Denmark 8.56
Luxembourg 8.56
Finland 8.53
Germany 8.53
Ireland 8.52

Proof of the constant pumping to get you to think you are.

What I posted is an excerpt from Dirt's link.

The index has a bias toward Western European, Canadian, AU/NZ ideas of freedom.

The most glaring flaw is that the human right to self-defense is listed nowhere among the factors for determining freedom. Countries where the gun- and knife-Gestapo send citizens to prison are included in the ten top countries where "freedom" reigns.

Jim

It would be interesting to see how free the average person in Hong Kong or Australia feels today.

That list is BS.

I just had a buddy from Ontario visit before thanksgiving. We hunted in South Dakota, partied in Nebraska and visited friends in Oklahoma. My buddy said he couldn’t believe how freely we could move around here compared to Ontario.

The true north strong and free.

Visions of sugar plums dance through your head.Santy Claus is real.Hahahaaaaaaaaa

I'll bet no one saw that coming.

Just read the parents are facing an involuntary manslaughter charge.