Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than
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Seems like all the green new stuff really takes more fuel to produce than just using fossil fuels. That big farming and mining equipment drinks lots of fuel. The promoters of these great new ideas are the only benefactors. JMHO
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Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than
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Unless they can covert it in oxygen it’s probably not good for the environment then, the whole idea that you burn no lead but more of it because of poor performance it never seemed like we ever really gained much.
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Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than
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Ethanol contains less energy per gallon than gasoline, to varying degrees, depending on the volume percentage of ethanol in the blend. Denatured ethanol (98% ethanol) contains about 30% less energy than gasoline per gallon
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Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than
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well it is just plane wasteful
just in Natural gas needed to make it you could just drive the car on that and save everything else.
it wasn't about saving the planet it was about lining a pocket book from day one.
want to make a change , if it changes the climate or not , incentivize insulating houses to R30 in the walls R40 in the ceiling use the energy saving to Fuel your car
make the car to be maintained and on CNG no reason it can't hit 500K miles then get a get rebuild and do it again.
making things disposable and using rare earth metals isn't going to make things green. might make some people rich but not green
large grazing operations taking up the space that ethanol corn is taking now , where you need no fertilizer and you could ride your horse or small motorbike out to to move the herd it sure would mean a lot more wild life also
heating largely on dead and dying trees any where it is feasible
plant the edges of those new pastures in trees for shade for the animals and fuel to heat with
it is going to change the labor dynamic but that is going to change any way
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Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than
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Natural gas powered vehicles makes more sense than electric ones. It's all about money, not pollution or saving the planet.
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Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than
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I don't think farmers are the bad guys at all , most really love the land but they grow stuff and when growing corn pays the bills they grow corn , if hay payed the bills they would grow hay
they follow the path that lets them keep farming most are hopelessly addicted to it as a way of life.
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Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than
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Seems like all the green new stuff really takes more fuel to produce than just using fossil fuels. That big farming and mining equipment drinks lots of fuel. The promoters of these great new ideas are the only benefactors. JMHO Yup
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Re: U.S. corn-based ethanol worse for the climate than
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AKAjust, Flipper might know this, but I just read yesterday that Marathon Oil, oil shale business, can make money on $35 a barrel oil.
I'm not saying the oil companies didn't take a big hit the last few years, and I know they actually do pay more in taxes than other large companies, no matter how the left vilifies them.
And it is a free market. But if you can do oil shale at $35/barrel, make money, and supply gas at a reasonable cost to the consumer, there is no need for the US to suffer climate control when the major polluters are in Asia.
Cooking corn to make ethanol was not a good idea.
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