I Believe the President can and has stopped hunting on public land. President Obama to a tune of 550 million acres I believe. Wish I could post links they are pretty easy to find.

I wish I shared your optimism on this but damages that are included in this lawsuit are listed beginning on page 5 of the referenced filing (see below) suggest that this is far less about lead ammo:


Case No. CV-21-144-DWM

A few of the “damages” of the Plaintiff’s member include but are not limited to the following: risk to Grizzly Bears from legally hunting Black Bear that reduces the member’s ability to see the bears or their tracks and scat during future visits to the Swan River NWR in Montana

Reducing member’s ability to see Jaguars on the Leslie Canyon NWR in Arizona

Harming the spiritual, personal, and aesthetic interests of a member because hunting reduces her ability to view Ocelots and Jaguarundi at the Laguna Atascosa NWR

These animals may be involved in vehicle collisions with hunter’s vehicles

Reducing a member’s ability to photograph Audubon’s Crested Caracara and Wood Stork in the Everglades and St. Marks NWR in Florida because of noise associated with hunting.



This is one of several recent lawsuits that have been filed in the Missoula District Court. Another from this past fall resulted in the judge ruling that the Canada Lynx distinct population in the lower 48 states should stay listed under the ESA even though the best available science included in its Species Status Assessment prepared by the FWS and species experts from around the country found that the Lynx no longer met the definition of a threatened species and has exceeded historical abundance throughout much of its range in the lower 48 states.

Why, because if the Lynx stay listed, this gives the CBD and AR groups ammo in the form of the ESA to make a legal argument against delisting the wolf and curtailing any control of their populations which also greatly exceed their recovery goals in much of their range.

Make no mistake, this isn't just about lead ammo and this won't be the last of these lawsuits.

This is where the “I’ll waste my vote for a guy who can never win” comes back to bite us all in the rear.

The way the government works is by legal bribery from lobbyists. How you're thinking is long gone and the ways of the past.

X2. One judge just listed Midwest wolves again. The system is broken.

The way the government works is by legal bribery from lobbyists. How you're thinking is long gone and the ways of the past. [/quote]

I understand what you are saying, but this part of the gov still works that way. It's still done by notice of intent, proposed rule, modifications to proposed rule, finalized rule, etc and so forth. Sure, sometimes the gov no matter what the comments say, are going to do what they are going to do, but the FWS historically is not that way at all. Public comments on things like this play a HUGE role in how the government decides how to do things.

@Wiz, I know man I understand they don't really care about lead ammo and want to just ban hunting, but they will use lead ammo as that means trust me. Depending on how the FWS argues, most of those points will be invalid due to other circumstances, it's just annoying because this is an example of what happens when you lose playing by the rules so you just resort to something that ends up making everybody worse off(lawsuits).

"The Biden Administration’s expansion of hunting and fishing on 90 refuges covering 2.1 million acres in August 2021 is not being contested."

You are welcome!

Will be writing to my reps this weekend hope the rest of you do the same, complaining on this site is not going to do any good. Like I have said before trappers are not an organized bunch for the most part to few are members of state or national organizations. Write to your reps this weekend and pass the word it could make a difference.