Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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First night catches are a combination of things, I don't feel it comes down to one primary aspect. It will vary from one area to another. I don't get hung up on first night catches. I would say 5% of my catches happen the first night. Silky, I certainly agree that for the most part first night catches are a result of a culmination of factors. When I do make first night catches, I look at it as a gauge that lets me know that my recon, location, timing, set look, & attractant were on the money.While a miscue of any one of those can snafu your chances, I feel some just might be a little more critical than others.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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James I think everyone would probably agree location is the #1 factor (at least the majority)
What do you consider the #2 most important factor when trapping coyotes? Location is a given, but I think timing means everything when it comes to quick catches. That is where your ability to read sign and compile accurate and current recon is paramount to consistent success. We are talking recon that is hours old not days.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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James I think everyone would probably agree location is the #1 factor (at least the majority)
What do you consider the #2 most important factor when trapping coyotes? Location is a given, but I think timing means everything when it comes to quick catches. That is where your ability to read sign and compile accurate and current recon is paramount to consistent success. We are talking recon that is hours old not days. You have to take into consideration the area, water, food source, and density as well. For the most part you aren't going to have coyotes traveling the same location every night unless there's something causing them to. Such as a dead pile or water where it's not plentiful. When you look at these things you will see that first night catches aren't going to happen like they do for others.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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I think it has a lot to do with scent control.
I think your scent keeps them away until it dissipates. Exactly!Set your most active location, show them your most productive set look, bring your “A” game blending, and then offer them your best attractants. After all that fanfare, simply disregard common sense scent control measures and stink up the set area. Wile E. will be quick to show you just how important scent control really is.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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If scent was as big an issue with every coyote as most think, there would NEVER be first night catches in the South, unless sweat doesn’t account for scent, lol. Make your set and get out. If coyotes were that cautious of scent then once they encountered it they would be gone. Heck, if that was the case you should be able to walk your fence perimeter and keep the coyotes off the property. I’m guessing you don’t trap all year and let the population build? That is a unique take on things WB. When constant pressure is applied, human scent becomes a huge factor simply because the two are tied together. Some trappers may snub their nose at scent association. Wile E. showed me ealy on he does not. The coyotes that survive the blitzkrieg of pressure here are not in grade school. That graduating class has a master’s degree in staying alive by any means necessary. I don’t show up with my “B” game in an attempt to catch “A” game coyotes. When it comes to scent control it’s not so much about the number of coyotes that were missed. The real problem lies in the number of coyotes educated.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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Out west there are many areas a coyote may see trucks going down a road but infrequently smells human odors within it's home range. That is in sharp contrast to more populated areas where coyotes routinely smell human odors multiple times every day. Coyotes are neophobic, which means they are afraid of unusual stuff. Coyote response to human odors varies greatly from area to area based on what is normal and what is new IMO. Keeping scent and disturbance to a minimum will only improve the odds of catching coyotes wherever you are. Go down a two-track road that may not be used for weeks at a time here, set traps, and start checking every other day and many times the coyotes bounce out of there. Coyotes are always coyotes but your population of coyotes have a different environment than my coyotes and will respond differently.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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Dan is right on, have gas or diesel all over your boots, spit Copenhagen everywhere, flick your cigarette ashes around and toss your empty beer cans and chip bags and if you are on a heavily used logging road the coyotes will walk through it all and pay not the slightest attention to it, they may even investigate your lunch garbage and mark over where you got rid of your excess coffee. Walk fifty feet off that road and try the same thing and they won't come within a hundred feet of it. They are perfectly used to all those scents in the first scenario, in the second they are something strange put them on high alert.
The biggest factor in first night catches is having either a high, or highly concentrated coyote population, or a small home range. Here we have plenty of room, and while there is certainly no shortage of them, they aren't concentrated and have a large range. It is normal for coyotes to only come through many good areas of habitat once a week or even longer. You can try to pattern and time them to set your traps out just before they come through next, or try to concentrate them with bait piles. But personally I would rather set a few days before I expect them to come through, then any excess scent I may have left has time to dissapate and the sets can age in and 'blend'. Sure I may not be able to brag about first night catches, but first week catches make me just as happy, and I figure I get a higher percentage of first visit catches if that visit is a few days after I set them instead of a few hours. I do a lot of snow trapping, and setting in the snow without making a noticeable disturbance is difficult, so giving it a couple days have a fresh dusting of snow blend sets is ideal. On the other hand, if it dumps a foot and a half of snow over your sets before your targets get back, it doesn't matter how well it blends everything or how hard they work the set. Your equipment has to be working in order to catch. In those conditions, aiming for first night catches, while your equipment is still working, becomes more important. That would be very similar to those of you who trap on the weekends and pull your traps over the week. Different situations call for different methods.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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Out west there are many areas a coyote may see trucks going down a road but infrequently smells human odors within it's home range. That is in sharp contrast to more populated areas where coyotes routinely smell human odors multiple times every day. Coyotes are neophobic, which means they are afraid of unusual stuff.
Coyote response to human odors varies greatly from area to area based on what is normal and what is new IMO. Keeping scent and disturbance to a minimum will only improve the odds of catching coyotes wherever you are.
Go down a two-track road that may not be used for weeks at a time here, set traps, and start checking every other day and many times the coyotes bounce out of there. Coyotes are always coyotes but your population of coyotes have a different environment than my coyotes and will respond differently. That is some great insight DB. Good Stuff!The coyotes here are very quick to react to what’s being shown to them. Their response mirrors the pressure they get, and their counter moves seem to be very deliberate and calculated. I’ve had the exact same experience with trapping an area not driven on. The coyotes reacted instantly to the encroachment. After the initial sets were made that hot spot became a ghost town overnight. Since then, I am much more aware of where core areas are and how those locations change according to where the pressure is applied. Then there is how close I can get recon-wise without a bounce, and how close I can make sets that they will actually work, & not drive-by. If Wile E. gets an extended snoot full of trapper at any point and time, he will usually bail like he needed to leave yesterday.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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Good points guys.
You mentioned transients, do you think on average that first night catches are attributed to say younger coyotes?
Last year I started putting out bait holes.and my first night catches and numbers have went up.
i do think the least amount of scent you leave the better off you are. Great question and observation SK! SK, I do not recall first night catches being predominately juveniles and/or yearlings. I don’t have the exact stats at hand, but I believe adult male coyotes were the highest percentage, but I am not certain of that. I've noticed that over the years the number of young coyotes caught has tapered off substantially. And it should with the number of adult females that have been taken off the payroll. And on the scent side of things, the less scent you initially leave, the quicker it will dissipate to a point where it does not cause alarm or is not detectable. I believe that is one key component in those quick catches.
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