Re: 308 Winchester?
[Re: harrison72]
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03/09/22 10:21 AM
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danny clifton
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A ruger American was never intended to be a competitor in the Camp Perry match. It is designed to be a hunting tool. Spending 700 bucks to get quarter groups instead of 50 cent size groups makes no sense. If you can group 5 shots in a dinner pate at 300 yards that is minute of coyote. I bet it is better than that with the ammo you have
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Re: 308 Winchester?
[Re: danny clifton]
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03/09/22 10:37 AM
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A ruger American was never intended to be a competitor in the Camp Perry match. It is designed to be a hunting tool. Spending 700 bucks to get quarter groups instead of 50 cent size groups makes no sense. If you can group 5 shots in a dinner pate at 300 yards that is minute of coyote. I bet it is better than that with the ammo you have that is a good point if you shoot 2 inches and under with the power points you would be 6 and under at 300 yards and that will do what you need it to in almost every hunting situation when I tried Federal blue box I was right about 2 inches and I said if this was just for hunting that would be all I needed , at the time I was building a target gun so it wasn't what I wanted, I also wanted to relaod and shoot a lot more than shooting factroy ammo would have allowed , I ended up developing a load for the target gun , I do use hunting bullets because I want to be able to hunt with it also and only have one load. I ended up with 2 loads because of bullet availability I have 165 and 180gr BTSP I don't worry about changing the load in my deer rifles I just keep the load the same as what my target gun uses and it works sub 2 inch in the hunting rifles and I like what those 180s do to deer , the 165 worked also have limited deer with those.
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Re: 308 Winchester?
[Re: harrison72]
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03/09/22 08:18 PM
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danny clifton
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Sight it in dead on at a hundred yards no further than your shooting. Then just put the cross hair where you want the bullet to go. If you want to shoot to 300 sight in at 300. Then shoot a few at closer distance. you really need to shoot targets at the distances you expect to shoot when hunting.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: 308 Winchester?
[Re: harrison72]
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03/09/22 09:00 PM
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My opinion, and it's worth what you paid for it...
For .308 and whitetails I would stick to 150 grain offerings. A 150 grain bullet should do all you ever need it to do within reasonable ranges. If I were shooting far, or going after elk or something big, then I would look at 180's.
Of course availability will dictate what you buy too.
Just my $.02
Mike
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Re: 308 Winchester?
[Re: Mike in A-town]
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03/09/22 09:14 PM
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My opinion, and it's worth what you paid for it...
For .308 and whitetails I would stick to 150 grain offerings. A 150 grain bullet should do all you ever need it to do within reasonable ranges. If I were shooting far, or going after elk or something big, then I would look at 180's.
Of course availability will dictate what you buy too.
Just my $.02
Mike I 2nd this. Whitetails are small and a 100gr out of our 243 leaves nice holes and always give a pass through. Nothing moves more than a stumbled few steps if that. Now the holes are small than with the 7mm08 and 139 gr but the results are the same. 180 in a 308 are running slower and the added weight us not needed on Indiana and KY Whitetails.
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Re: 308 Winchester?
[Re: harrison72]
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03/09/22 10:20 PM
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Great advice and much appreciated! I have had this rifle 5 years and I have killed a few deer with it, but they have all been under 50 yard shots. I have been shooting 4-5 rounds the last several evenings at 30 yards. Obviously, I will extend the range when I am satisfied with my groups. I'm zeroing at about 1" low. Any other help is much appreciated. don't set your scope to max power , you see your wiggle and you try and compensate for it some of my best groups have come 2 power at 200 yards holding the center of a stationary steel plate seeing the micro detail like 12 power at 30 yards but you end up using fine motor movement to adjust and you don;t want to do that you want to set your body and break the shot body relaxed and pointing at the target. focus on breathing , break the trigger at the bottom of your breath , used to be we taught exhale till your sight is on the target hold and squeeze but the only way to be consistent and really get those groups other than a machine rest is control every factor and air all the way out is how you make sure you have the same breath in you every time exhale , look , if your not where you need to be move , breath , exhale check , when your where you want to be when you look your done moving break the trigger. middle of the index finger on the trigger no other part of the index finger touches the gun solid cheek weld , goose neck out and drop all the way out is as close to the same as you get if your cheek down solid on the stock leaves you looking at the top edge of the bolt , you need a cheek riser , a bag or build it up with sleeping pad and horse tape it needs to be firm and the right height that when you close your eyes goose neck out , drop the cheek weld you open your eyes centered on the scope hold the trigger back after the shot till the recoil is over for 308 I sight in at 200 yards to be perfect on , this puts me about 2 high at 100 and 3 low at 250 that covers the range that I would shoot If you never shoot past 100 then sight in for 100 if you do shoot past 100 everything is low when sighted in for 100 yards to be right on the same load that is 2 high at 100 on at 200 and 3 low at 250 is now on at 100 , 3 inches low at 200 and 8 inches low at 250 neither is wrong but one works the arc differently what ever you set as your end range shoot every 50 yards to your range so if you decide 250 is the farthest you would shoot , then shoot at 50 100 150 200 250 and keep your data
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Re: 308 Winchester?
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Great advice and much appreciated! I have had this rifle 5 years and I have killed a few deer with it, but they have all been under 50 yard shots. I have been shooting 4-5 rounds the last several evenings at 30 yards. Obviously, I will extend the range when I am satisfied with my groups. I'm zeroing at about 1" low. Any other help is much appreciated. don't set your scope to max power , you see your wiggle and you try and compensate for it some of my best groups have come 2 power at 200 yards holding the center of a stationary steel plate seeing the micro detail like 12 power at 30 yards but you end up using fine motor movement to adjust and you don;t want to do that you want to set your body and break the shot body relaxed and pointing at the target. focus on breathing , break the trigger at the bottom of your breath , used to be we taught exhale till your sight is on the target hold and squeeze but the only way to be consistent and really get those groups other than a machine rest is control every factor and air all the way out is how you make sure you have the same breath in you every time middle of the index finger on the trigger no other part of the index finger touches the gun solid cheek weld , goose neck out and drop all the way out is as close to the same as you get if your cheek down solid on the stock leaves you looking at the top edge of the bolt , you need a cheek riser , a bag or build it up with sleeping pad and horse tape it needs to be firm and the right height that when you close your eyes goose neck out , drop the cheek weld you open your eyes centered on the scope hold the trigger back after the shot till the recoil is over for 308 I sight in at 200 yards to be perfect on , this puts me about 2 high at 100 and 3 low at 250 that covers the range that I would shoot If you never shoot past 100 then sight in for 100 if you do shoot past 100 everything is low when sighted in for 100 yards to be right on the same load that is 2 high at 100 on at 200 and 3 low at 250 is now on at 100 , 3 inches low at 200 and 8 inches low at 250 neither is wrong but one works the arc differently Very good information,thank you!
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Re: 308 Winchester?
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03/09/22 10:27 PM
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I have the same rifle with a Leupold on it. I’m shooting Barnes 150gr TTSX. Not sure what you consider “ok groups” but off a bench in a vice where all I’m responsible for is squeezing the trigger, I’m getting a 3 shot group you could cover with a 50 cent piece at 100. That’s good enough for deer hunting in my opinion. We put all our rifles in vices to make sure if there’s a miss it’s the operators fault. Great information! What kind of vices do you use?
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Re: 308 Winchester?
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03/09/22 10:56 PM
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if you get a chance go to an Appleseed shoot , you get a lot of good practice and instruction for the typically 60 dollar weekend event cost. take a 22lr and a brick of ammo and I think you will find it a good use of your time and money. https://appleseedinfo.org/
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Re: 308 Winchester?
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03/09/22 11:11 PM
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Harrison it's a heck of a drive but if you make it down around Clark County Indiana 35 min north of Louisville you can shoot on my 500 yard range out back off a lead slead and get lined out. That is a very nice offer, thank you so much! I'm going to keep working on it, but I will definitely keep you in mind, thanks again.
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