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Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552175
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I heard it was the St. Regis Mohawks (from Canada) that were doing the spearing. Does anyone know for sure who is responsible?

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In this day and age, how Indian do you have to be to spear fish and what delineates you as an Indian?

Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: whartonrattrappe] #7552185
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Originally Posted by whartonrattrappe
I heard it was the St. Regis Mohawks (from Canada) that were doing the spearing. Does anyone know for sure who is responsible?

Don't know for sure, but this is what I read:
‘When this is closed, it should be close to everybody’ Fisherman frustrated by lack of rule enforcement at Scriba Creek | WSYR
https://www.localsyr.com/news/local...ack-of-rule-enforcement-at-scriba-creek/

Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Rat_Pack] #7552198
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Originally Posted by Rat_Pack
Originally Posted by whartonrattrappe
I heard it was the St. Regis Mohawks (from Canada) that were doing the spearing. Does anyone know for sure who is responsible?

Don't know for sure, but this is what I read:
‘When this is closed, it should be close to everybody’ Fisherman frustrated by lack of rule enforcement at Scriba Creek | WSYR
https://www.localsyr.com/news/local...ack-of-rule-enforcement-at-scriba-creek/


Well in the video it was NYS En Con seizing the fish so, they did not cross a US/Canada border...


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Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552203
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Native American: a member of any of the indigenous peoples of North, Central, and South America, especially those indigenous to what is now the continental US. No I am not going to debate what is or isn't a Native American, I dislike this term and far prefer the Canadian designation: Members of the First Nation.

We can claim we are all the same but our government does not make it that way. In Wisconsin spear fishing begins with ice out and the spawning time when the fish are in the shallows.

In Wisconsin the Chippewas operate six hatchery's to restock lakes.

I am only siting facts to the best of my knowledge.


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Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552209
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So the Government pits one group, through preferential treatment, against another and to speak out and go against the grain, garner's the racist label. I think we know who the real racist's and dividers are.

Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552210
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Originally Posted by Redknot
Originally Posted by Rat_Pack

Don't know for sure, but this is what I read:
‘When this is closed, it should be close to everybody’ Fisherman frustrated by lack of rule enforcement at Scriba Creek | WSYR
https://www.localsyr.com/news/local...ack-of-rule-enforcement-at-scriba-creek/


Well in the video it was NYS En Con seizing the fish so, they did not cross a US/Canada border...

ENCON may have seized the fish from them at Constantia, but how do you conclude that they didn't come from Canada?

Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Kre] #7552211
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Originally Posted by Kre
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It's not just walleyes In WI. They draw down a lot of northern lakes anticipating spring run off. This traps muskies In pockets and the Indians spear them through the Ice.


Where does this happen? I've never heard of this. I see the tribe spearing through the ice frequently, but I know of no bodies of water like you're describing.


The Chippewa Flowage.


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Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552212
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Also the Rainbow Flowage that I know of.


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Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552224
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They draw the Chippewa and Rainbow flowages down to where the fish get trapped in pools and the tribe comes to spear them?

Have you actually seen this in person? Or, just heard about it in the tavern?

Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552283
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In person. I don't drink. I've also seen a lot of muskies speared on Little St. Germain but it isn't drawn down.


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Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552287
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Rat every nation we enter into treatites with are to be honored the same way. The treties we entered into with the Native Amerian Nations are with nations, not individuals. It has to be looked at from the legal perspective. Again we recognized tehm as nations within our nation, two seperate nations within the United States. Our government established this, in tis manner.

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BT I get all that, still doesn't make it right. Treaties are changed all the time, but our government is to weak and afraid to do the right thing. They are a nation within a nation when it suits them and a citizen when it doesn't. On a side note, what % does one have to be to spear in Wis. 1/6th native american or can you just identify as such.

Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Rat Masterson] #7552326
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
BT I get all that, still doesn't make it right. Treaties are changed all the time, but our government is to weak and afraid to do the right thing. They are a nation within a nation when it suits them and a citizen when it doesn't. On a side note, what % does one have to be to spear in Wis. 1/6th native american or can you just identify as such.

In NY, you can be Indian but if not affiliated w/a tribe, you are just a sorry white man.

Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552352
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Hey Rt I agree. % is dependenton the tribe, I'll see what I can find out. Each can be different, LCO, Mole Lake, Bad Rivier, St. Croix, Lac Du Falmbeau, Red Cliff are teh six we deal with mostly in Northern WI.

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Here you got Rat. Studying this currently so my students found this inforamtion. :

Membership Requirements Pursuant to Tribal Constitution Article II-Membership;

Section 2(a) states: “Any child of one-fourth (1/4) degree or more Lac du Flambeau Indian Blood born to any member shall be
entitled to membership.”

Section 4 states: “Any lineal descendant of a member of the Lac du Flambeau Band may be adopted by the Tribal Council,
provided that such person shall possess one-fourth (1/4) degree or more of Lake Superior Chippewa Blood.”

According to the Membership Ordinance; Lake Superior Chippewa Blood is defined as: Lac du Flambeau Lake Superior Chippewa,
Sokaogon Chippewa Community Mole Lake Band of Wisconsin, Red Cliff Tribe, St. Croix Chippewa Tribe, Bad River Chippewa Tribe,
Lac Courte Oreilles Chippewa Tribe, Mille Lacs Chippewa Tribe, Fond du La

Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552366
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So do you get a card or something?

Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552374
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Sooo...Elizabeth Warren is out then?

Re: NY like Wisconsin [Re: Redknot] #7552381
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What if you're just a po' white boy that identifies as an Indian princess? In today's world that would should be a shoo in, no?

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^ laugh We'll have to wait until trapstick man shows up with a spear.

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