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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623254
07/09/22 10:35 PM
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Paul mentioned one fella here and I know two other trappers in NC (independent wildlife control agents) that have licenses to do explosives. They all get calls from other trappers who have potential jobs. And there are probably others that are USDA Wildlife Services employees. And you might not have the bureaucratic permit process in your location that we have in more populated areas. But in spite of the permit process cost, there are still situations where blowing them is the best option. And since you do not know anyone offering this service, it might be a good niche for you to fill.


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623258
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I've never done any boom type removals. Been lucky I guess.
I have wondered about one of the portable winches with grapple though.


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: QuietButDeadly] #7623259
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Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
Paul mentioned one fella here and I know two other trappers in NC (independent wildlife control agents) that have licenses to do explosives. They all get calls from other trappers who have potential jobs. And there are probably others that are USDA Wildlife Services employees. And you might not have the bureaucratic permit process in your location that we have in more populated areas. But in spite of the permit process cost, there are still situations where blowing them is the best option. And since you do not know anyone offering this service, it might be a good niche for you to fill.

QBD,
I'm not sure I want to mess around with det cord, caps, electrial charges, etc.

I don't mind mixing 2 mostly safe ingredients and pouring in a pvc pipe pushed into the mud...then shooting with a .243 from 100 yds plus away...lol

If I can even see 100 yds in that particular swamp...

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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623266
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I ripped lots of those kind of dams swamp.I have a chainsaw with a 3 foot bar for the stick dams and rooted junk.
The stickdams are impossible to rip out here when it freezes in the fall,that is when the chainsaw with the long bar really helps.


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623277
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Tannerite works real good. I poked a 2 holes in the dam big enough to get the cans in. As with some things to do with beaver, the deeper the better. I wrapped some primer cord around a tree and each can then shoved them in the holes I made. If you shoot the primer cord wrapped around the tree it will set off the tannerite. Make sure you use a good solid tree and a rifle with enough ft/lbs of energy for the primer cord. Once the dam is opened up prepare to spend the night shift shooting beavers as they will have it rebuilt in no time.

Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623278
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Sounds like a job for Hals buddies Grump and Restor !

Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Boco] #7623279
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Originally Posted by Boco
I ripped lots of those kind of dams swamp.I have a chainsaw with a 3 foot bar for the stick dams and rooted junk.
The stickdams are impossible to rip out here when it freezes in the fall,that is when the chainsaw with the long bar really helps.

I'd have to hire help to cut open a beaver dam with a chainsaw. I must not be as physically fit as you...lol


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Norwestalta] #7623280
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Originally Posted by Norwestalta
Tannerite works real good. I poked a 2 holes in the dam big enough to get the cans in. As with some things to do with beaver, the deeper the better. I wrapped some primer cord around a tree and each can then shoved them in the holes I made. If you shoot the primer cord wrapped around the tree it will set off the tannerite. Make sure you use a good solid tree and a rifle with enough ft/lbs of energy for the primer cord. Once the dam is opened up prepare to spend the night shift shooting beavers as they will have it rebuilt in no time.

Most times I have em caught b4 water is released. Sometimes that dramatic water drop will reveal one I missed.


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623282
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Oh ok. I was packing a bag to come give you a hand but talk of the critters that want to kill you down there made decide that I'd much rather deal with the grizzly bears here. Good luck and in my experience you don't have to be 100 yds away. I'm trying to remember what size of cans we used but they didn't seem very big. Maybe 1/2 lb.

Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Norwestalta] #7623283
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Originally Posted by Norwestalta
Oh ok. I was packing a bag to come give you a hand but talk of the critters that want to kill you down there made decide that I'd much rather deal with the grizzly bears here. Good luck and in my experience you don't have to be 100 yds away. I'm trying to remember what size of cans we used but they didn't seem very big. Maybe 1/2 lb.

The heat-humidity here is the biggest concern and annoyance here when trapping beavers this time of year and then only on set and pull days. Had to go back to truck one day last week and sit in AC for about 30 min to cool off. Heat index was 110F....was over 100F index at 0900 hrs.

Gators move out of the way and don't return while you're there. Cottonmouths dont move out of way but the key is seeing them b4 you get too close......move slowly and look closely b4 reaching or squatting down. Skeeter, deer flies, etc...just a common nuisance.


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623285
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by Norwestalta
Oh ok. I was packing a bag to come give you a hand but talk of the critters that want to kill you down there made decide that I'd much rather deal with the grizzly bears here. Good luck and in my experience you don't have to be 100 yds away. I'm trying to remember what size of cans we used but they didn't seem very big. Maybe 1/2 lb.

The heat-humidity here is the biggest concern and annoyance here when trapping beavers this time of year and then only on set and pull days. Had to go back to truck one day last week and sit in AC for about 30 min to cool off. Heat index was 110F....was over 100F index at 0900 hrs.

Gators move out of the way and don't return while you're there. Cottonmouths dont move out of way but the key is seeing them b4 you get too close......move slowly and look closely b4 reaching or squatting down. Skeeter, deer flies, etc...just a common nuisance.


Yep you can have it. Snakes scare the bejesus out of me and 3 days of 110 F (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) near killed me last summer. No thanks.

Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623287
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Beavering in the heat isn't a problem. I can at least get in the water.

Coyotes in the heat is a real pia. The way I sweat kneeling to make a set I might as well go roll in the mud. I'm seriously considering ground cloth or possibly split leg apron to try keep myself presentable.


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: LT GREY] #7623306
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Originally Posted by LT GREY
Around here, we use 'Car Rollers'

( you might have to be a hillbilly to know what that is )

Around here we use to use fertilizer, Diesel and a charge.


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623321
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
Get yourself certified and I think you will find that there is a lot better and more economical materials available to get the job done. You will most likely need to upgrade your insurance too.

Not sure how it is in your neck of the swamp but just applying for a permit to use explosives in the county I live in is more expensive that the actual material and labor to do it in many cases. And the rules and regs are anything but straight forward and clear. And if the permit is denied, you lose the application fee.

Have you considered finding someone already certified to sub out that part of the job? Depending on the work load, that may be a viable alternative.

I haven't checked on the explosives permit due to exactly what you described....permit costs, higher insurance, complex regs, safety concerns, etc.

Plus, I care not to handle higher grade explosives, detonators, etc, ....just not my thing. Cost of Tannerite is not an issue for me as I'd probably use it less that 10 times and customer pays all that.

I know of no one around here to sub that out. A certified explosives guy probably won't like walking/wading/toting that gear into some of the places I go to get to the beavers.


The explosives are the same. Just substitute fuel oil for the aluminum powder and use a detonator. You have to place the explosive on or near the bottom of the dam. Otherwise the energy just goes up if placed on top. This makes the Tannerite impossible to use because you can’t actually get a bullet into the tannerite to set it off. Our local USDA trapper and dam blower told me that usually one pound will work for the average dam if the bottom is hard enough. Had to use 6 pounds for my farms because we essentially have no bottom around here.

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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623353
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Had several big time farmers over the years tell me that back in the day they used a pound of black powder, in a one liter plastic bottle, taped up tight, with a water proof fuse drilled through the bottle cap positioned at the base of a beaver dam and it worked fine. Too many houses now for something like that to take place. But if you are in the swamps or back in the boonies it just might work for you. Hope that helps someone.

Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Boco] #7623408
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Originally Posted by Boco
"Motivation and a shovel".....that's laughable!!!


I've ripped thousands out by hand for years right down to natural flow.Some big ones too.
Still do but its a little harder when your older.
Ripped out 7 the other day finishing off a contract.
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The OP did not ask what size rake to use, What license he needs, He asked for advise on Tannerite.

Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623523
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From the great info gathered here from this thread, some PMs, and my short internet research...

A) 2" pvc pipe about 24" to 30" long. This amount will blow an impressive breach in most dams.
B) Cap pipe on one end.
C) Mix Tannerite on scene and fill pipe.
D) Cap pipe.
E) Shove or insert into upstream side of dam, leaving enough of pipe visible that you can hit from about + or - 100 yds away. Best to angle pipe into dam to create lift of debris towards downstream side. Water pressure will assist after discharge. Debris/mud in dam will create less blast resistance than the water will, hence blast will direct more in that direction.
F) Shoot from upstream side if possible as blowout will be more towards downstream side of dam due to the water pressure.
G) Use rifle caliber that delivers minimum 2000 fps. A .243 is good.
H) Use ear plugs and stay behind a large tree if possible.
I) You will need a manufacturer's license from ATF if you mix off site and travel on public roads with mixed binary ingredients, including Tannerite-type stuff. The manufacturer's license is also needed to use the binary mixes for commercial purposes, ie charging landowner to blow dams. This license is $200 initially and then $100 with every 3-years renewal.
J) State and local permits may be needed.
K) Tannerite brand is the better quality binary mix that is currently available.....it's a bit more powerful.
L) Always think safety. Dont get complacent. Always be mindful of the "shrapnel effect of the sticks and logs.

Thanks for all the great info!

I.posted what I've learned to help others that may need to use this stuff in a limited amount when other options are not available...and does not need to become a fully licensed explosives guy.


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: warrior] #7623533
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Originally Posted by warrior
Beavering in the heat isn't a problem. I can at least get in the water.

Coyotes in the heat is a real pia. The way I sweat kneeling to make a set I might as well go roll in the mud. I'm seriously considering ground cloth or possibly split leg apron to try keep myself presentable.

Can't bring myself to cool off in this....
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but you are correct about coyote trapping in the heat!


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7623560
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With waders I'm going in. My lower half might get a couple degrees cooler.

But I got the advantage on you. Most of my water is flowing or spring sourced. Some of those swamps just sit and stew.


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Re: Using Tannerite to Blow Beaver Dams... [Re: Wanna Be] #7623617
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Just curious, is removing the dam part of your agreement?

Just saw your question....

No...not part of agreement, but I have landowners that have asked and are willing to pay for the extra assistance.

A local timber company wants me to breach them, if I can, but it's not part of our beaver removal agreement. If I can do this safely...and legally, then I will be a more valuable asset to them.


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