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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Squash] #7900940
07/07/23 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Squash
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X2 on all above. What blows my mind is how red oak has become the least desirable wood around here.


Market trends change, right now seems all red colored hardwoods are out of style, red oak, Black Cherry and white wood is in style like hard and soft maple.. But it’s nothing new, back in the late 60’s it was the same with red oak and cherry. Then in the early 70’s you couldn’t give Hard Maple logs away, and today they are one of the hottest species out there .




I will second the market trend. Were letting paid for sales stand till market improves or we get close to cut deadline. Still paying north of $150 cord for red pine post wood.


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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #7900988
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Same here in Indiana. I noticed about 3 years ago.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Eagleye] #8087827
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Originally Posted by Eagleye
We're seeing a lot of Oak Wilt in Wisconsin

With all the warm weather this winter, it could be an early start to the oak wilt season

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8113967
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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8114019
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Everyone blames oak wilt. Recently our oaks have been drought stressed with two lines chestnut borer

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8114021
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Not just oaks. Seems like almost all of our hardwoods are struggling with something or other.

I'm missing the dogwoods this time of year, anthracnose.
I'm seeing frass straws most everywhere from ambrosia beetle.
Shouldn't even have to mention our ash trees.


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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8114022
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I used to have to answer, "What killed my tree?"
My answer was usually, "Yes."
The cause of death of a tree is more complicated than pinning it on one causal agent. Trees thrive when environmental factors are favorable. A tree under stress from a number of seasons of drought and/or flooding, or any number of other environmental detrimental factors can predispose that tree to death by the last causal agent, such as one season of gypsy moth or blight.
Did those gypsy moths or that blight kill that tree? Not in and of itself.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8114027
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Guessing this is what is killing the red oak around here.

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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8114035
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Around here the mature locusts are taking a beating.


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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: MnJag] #8114147
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Originally Posted by MnJag
Guessing this is what is killing the red oak around here.


I doubt that

Those big grubs are future June bugs

They get under rolls of hay down here, under rotten logs, just out in the yard in the dirt, etc

Our red oaks (and all trees) took a beating from the big freeze in 2022 and then dry conditions.

Whatever it is does not seem to affect sweetgum, elm, hackberry etc, basically anything I wouldn't care if it was wiped out thrives

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8114209
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Around here it’s a Stihl chainsaw. 22-30 inch bar

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8114211
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His top grub pic is a Japanese Beetle.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8116552
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I noticed the other day the county forestry posted a reminder on their website that no dead oak can be cut down after April 1st due to oak wilt season. I didnt realize even dead ok can't be cut down. 'Makes me wonder if they really are only worried about the felling of freshly dead oaks. I can't imagine oak wilt would be in the stem of a tree that has been dead for 5 years.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8116565
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Bacterial leaf scorch, xylem ( water transport). System in the red oak family, white oaks do not get it. It’s a long slow death. Leaders die off gradually. Pin oaks and reds around here have been dying off for the last 15 years. Drought accelerates the process.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8120692
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It seems to me July 15th is too early to start cutting/trimming oak. I remember when the guideline used to say October 15th

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: AJE] #8120693
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Speaking of oak I planted a bunch of bur oak tonight. I have too many Red Oak and not enough members of the White Oak family on my property.

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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8141208
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It always amazes me how some people cut or prune oaks during oak wilt season. I'm unsure if they are clueless or just don't care. Also, I think July 15th is too early to start cutting. Maybe small oak tsi work is ok, I'm not sure.

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Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: AJE] #8141270
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Originally Posted by AJE
It always amazes me how some people cut or prune oaks during oak wilt season. I'm unsure if they are clueless or just don't care. Also, I think July 15th is too early to start cutting. Maybe small oak tsi work is ok, I'm not sure.

Some of the tree services are both clueless and don't care if the job is a dollar in their pockets.

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: Striperfred] #8141316
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We get knots on the branches caused by some sort of wasp eventually killing the tree

Re: What’s killing all the red oak? [Re: jalstat] #8144305
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Originally Posted by jalstat
We get knots on the branches caused by some sort of wasp eventually killing the tree

I've never heard of that.

Some people lost oaks in this weeks storms. That could result in them getting oak wilt.

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