Re: Need a "Growing Fruit Trees" 101 education
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Dad used to say make a $10 hole for a $1 tree. But the best advice I can give is to make sure you plant when they’re still completely dormant (barefoot always preferred) and prune back heavily. If your tree already has scaffold branches 2-3 ft long stub them back to 6-8 inches. The roots of that tree were mostly lost when it was dug so the equivalent top of the tree needs to be lost as well. This is the biggest mistake most newbies make. First year moderate fertilizer and regular water. Keep weed free with mulch or plastic or mechanically. Some fruit trees will need fungal sprays.
As far as spacing goes you can fit about 4-600 trees in two acres. Good luck and if you need any specific info on a species feel free to reach out
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Re: Need a "Growing Fruit Trees" 101 education
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great info! thanks! So many different varieties to choose from! The nursery I was planning on buying from said most of their trees are two years old and don't have branches. Should I spend the extra money and buy from a different supplier with older trees?
ol' dad No, you’ll do fine with un-limbed whips. No worry, stub them back to 2-3 ft and they’ll make branches. For fruit trees size is measured in stem diameter at the base. Ie: 1/2 “ or 3/4 “
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Re: Need a "Growing Fruit Trees" 101 education
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Feel free to PM me if you like we are Kansas' leading producer of fruit trees, not sure where you are located in MO but we are only an hour west of KC. Sound advice above, but you might want to consider root stock type as well and if you haven't done a soil test that is beneficial as well. Some soil amendments are easier to do before planting than after. I agree with rootstock…it’s a smaller tree but grows twice as fast. Idk why but maybe less transplant shock.
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Re: Need a "Growing Fruit Trees" 101 education
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Feel free to PM me if you like we are Kansas' leading producer of fruit trees, not sure where you are located in MO but we are only an hour west of KC. Sound advice above, but you might want to consider root stock type as well and if you haven't done a soil test that is beneficial as well. Some soil amendments are easier to do before planting than after. Can you share a link to your business? I will check it out. I'm in NE Missouri. Can you elaborate on what "rootstock" is? I see trees listed as dwarfs and semi-dwarfs. What is the difference and are there advantages from one over the other? ol' dad
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Re: Need a "Growing Fruit Trees" 101 education
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Some rootstocks are mostly about restricting the tree’s growth. Like dwarf or semi-dwarf. These rootstocks are grown out as clones and so the orchardist can expect identical growth results from all his trees. Some rootstocks were bred for other characteristics such as nematode resistance or drought tolerance. Others are better for heavy or sandy soils. Rootstocks are planted out in the spring and then bud grafted in late summer. The following spring the rootstock is headed off just above the graft union. The first year whip may grow 4-6’ on some species. That whip is then headed back and scaffold branches are produced.
Semi dwarf trees typically bear sooner than those on standard roots. Personally for a homestead I like to have a few apple trees on standard roots and let the tree get big.
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Re: Need a "Growing Fruit Trees" 101 education
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One of the good reasons to deal with local or regional nurseries is they already have taken into account local conditions and choose rootstocks and varietals for those conditions.
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Re: Need a "Growing Fruit Trees" 101 education
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Some before and after pics on fruit tree pruning for newly planted stock. These are peach trees I just planted: That's the way it's done. Open the center to get light and air to all sides, leave three to four main scaffolds that'll be your solid frame for years to come. And have them down within reach. Beaverpeeler, I know you know but could you describe the why for ol' dad. Would this be how you do apples and pears?
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Re: Need a "Growing Fruit Trees" 101 education
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There are different strategies involved, but the one I favor is as Warrior mentioned; leaving 3-4 scaffold branches to form an open center to allow light in and air to circulate. When your trees come from the nursery some have side branches where you want them. Some don't but you can stub it off with zero side branches...no fear, it will sprout lateral branches all the way down to the graft union the following spring, just select the 3-4 you want to keep. I try to choose branches that have a less acute angle as these form stronger scaffolds once they get big.
My example here are peaches but I do all my fruit trees pretty much the same way. You can see that I took out over 80% of the top which will help this tree to get off to a good start since the pruned back roots don't have to support so much of a top.
And when possible plant as early as possible! Fall if possible. The nursery dug these trees just days before I planted them, so once roots begin to grow it is into their permanent planting spot...not in a bin filled with sawdust.
Tree roots always break out of dormancy long before top of the tree does.
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